Demon Hunter for Void Elves and Nightborne!

This has been up for very long time, and ive made a thread about it aswell.

Totally agree with this.

If that happened you would have high elfers asking for the ability to have blue eyes while playing a dh.

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Probably “when” rather than “if” :confused:

And I am saying the request for a skin is one that is self-indulgent to the extreme, for the sake of a single class-race combination to get around lore restrictions.

It even ignores the fact that you just can’t take a Paladin, make it’s powers voidy and call it a day. Paladins are the way they are because of the nature of the light, it’s single minded focus and that Paladins share that focus. That is the opposite nature of what the void is with it’s many truths.

You’d be as well to argue you could take a Death Knight, make it’s powers light based, and say ‘that’s a paladin’

I mean they are Elves. So the logic. Elves = Demon hunters stands sure…

But there is the Elven race lore to consider though. And new lore would have to be made about who thought Void Elves and Nightborn how to do Demon hunting. …And the time that takes too. Demon hunters don’t just grow out of trees over night. They take years of rituals and training to make.

Not to mention, Why would they? The Legion is defeated and Sargeras gone… Only remenants without leadership remain… Nightborne and Void elves wouldn’t dedicate their own people to these ways without a need for it reason.

we can all agree that Dh should remain for elves only.

How would the timeline for either of those two even work? Illidari haven’t been shown to recruit more into their ranks post-Legion, and the two races’ backstories contradict the background of the Illidari. Nightborne were stuck under the bubble during the expedition to Outland, and a character who were imprisoned in the Vault of the Wardens wouldn’t have had much of a chance to join Umbric’s exiles to later become ren’dorei.

Neither of those are possible without making up new lore. And if we were to make the Illidari recruit post-Legion, then that would open the DH class to more than just those two races.

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Why are you trying to get reason involved?

Because some of us still care about the lore of this game. :wink:

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If i can make a DH draenei i am switching to aliance

This has been answered by Ameerah here.

Neither Wildhammer nor Highborne are outright playable, yet their main races have received shaman and mage classes. It shouldn’t be any different with High elves, they’re now playable through their main Void elf race, which would justify paladin.

That’s a bit offensive to say. So whoever considers themselves a High elf is insane? Nah. Besides, no matter how you take it, Void elves are Blood elves and thus are also High elves. From the moment they added these features in the game where you can choose zero corruption on your Void elf, the only thing different about them is their name. Void elves are simply a group who joined the Alliance who were previously known as Blood elves, a name they adopted to honour their fallen brethren, and everyone knows they used to call themselves High elves prior to the invasion of the Scourge. Both the High elves who originally remained with the Alliance even after the invasion, and Blood elves, used to be Paladins. There weren’t that many paladins among High elves but there certainly were some.

But ok, let’s assume the devs disagree with giving Void elves paladin for the reasons you stated in the Void-Light lore. There is nothing preventing them from giving DHs and Shamans to Void elves. Maybe even druids. As shamans, they can choose to enslave and mind control a powerful elemental just like it was done by Blood elves with the Naaru. For DHs it’s very simple, the Blood elves who were DHs from before decided to begin studying and experimenting with the Void by joining the Void elves. And Void elf druids could be taught by Locus Walker to shapeshift, and offer to protect the Emerald Dream from the Nightmare.

Actually,

Illidan visited the broken isles, raised the tomb of sargaras.

Wouldn’t surprise me if some of the people in suramar would be like, yo imma check this out.

That would mean there might have been at least a few of the nightborne who joined Illidan.

Next up is void elves, might a bit more tricky lorewise, they could be argued to have maybe have reached Illidan by opening a void rift to reach the starting zone of the Illidari.

It could be done for both of them to be fair… A resident of Suramar could have made his way outside of the giant dome and learned of Illidan and his illidari to be a Demon hunter.

A void Elf could technically have been a past illidari too before joining the void elves…

(Although there is some lore conflicting there about how Void and Fell magic hits a person when mixed together)

Point is I personally don’t believe a change like this would happend. Untill the demons or the legions became relevant for an expansion again.

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While demons is a tough one, considering Sargaras went down.

However, demons are spread everywhere and someones gotta clean it up,

further given how the people of azeroth see Dreadlords as being agents of sargaras, they might want to hunt them down further, even if we now know they were in league with Denathrius.

Weren’t they hidden behind the barrier? Why would they have been around the Tomb of Sargeras in the first place? It’s not outright impossible, but still highly improbable.

You mean Mardum? The first part of that starting zone takes place back in BC, since they are caught by the Wardens upon their return to Black Temple. Umbric’s group of exiles was not even a thing at the time (the exile couldn’t have happened before Sunwell’s restoration), so that is impossible.

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A unifier or Demon clan leaders could happend. Bringing the remenants of the legion together

Ameerah may have said that, but Ameerah is wrong. The difference between a Wildhammer Dwarf and a Bronzebeard Dwarf is cultural. The difference between a Highborne and another kind of Night Elf is literally to do with the class they held in the old Night Elf Empire, in all cases we are talking about the same race.

A Void Elf on the other hand is unmistakeably a Void Elf. I could list all the factors I did in the previous post as to why that is, but I’ll limit it to fact they bleed purple as they most pertinent. Now I don’t think high elves bleed purple, do you?

These concessions are for roleplaying only. That is it. They are for high elf fans to PRETEND to be high elves, hopefully with a bunch of other roleplayers who can facilitate the roleplay. But that truth exists only in the mind of the player and you get to keep to hold to that truth so long as you don’t go around insisting that everyone else acknowledges you are a high elf. Because I certainly don’t agree with that analysis, anyone playing a Void Elf is playing a Void Elf and if they won’t be happy until everyone agrees they are actually a high elf then they are out of luck. If anyone roleplaying their void elf as a high elf doesn’t believe that, they can do a /who themselves to see what the game thinks.

People are allowed to pretend to be whatever they want. But a Void Elf Paladin introduces a contradiction into the lore that the rest of us would have to deal with. That’s selfish and unfair to expect the story we’ve had for years to be upended so that they can have affirmation from the game that they are what they say they are.

That you find it offensive is irrelevant, it is my way of dealing with high elf roleplayers who wish to insist they aren’t what they obviously are. They are Void Elves. What else but the madness and whispers of the void could have them saying such patently untrue things?
And it’s not just the name that remains intact, it’s the racials such as entropic embrace, the void enhanced reverb, the jokes and flirts referencing the fact it’s a void elf, the /who command and the tiny little fact that THEY ALL BLEED PURPLE. You can’t remove all the corruption as you suggest and because that can’t happen, there are no playable high elves (as defined as an Alliance aligned elf not corrupted by the void). If you wish to define a Void Elf as a type of high elf, then that’s true. But what is not available is a high elf who was never a void elf. And a Void Elf cannot be a paladin. That’s just common sense.

You probably have a littlemore leeway with these requests than a Paladin given the Paladin represents everything that a Void Elf is not, but the void corrupts by it’s very nature. How does that work with the nature orientated Druids? We saw what happened when the void interacted with the plane of nature and life, it manifested as the Emerald Nightmare and there were tentacles and rivers of red ichor everywhere. Is that what a Void Elf Druid is meant to be? Because it seems like a perversion of what a Druid is.

And Shamanism seeks harmony with the spirits and the elementals…again such a harmony would be disrupted by the fact that the void corrupts with it’s many possibilities. Hard to have harmony with the cacophony of voices pounding through your ears.

For me this is very simple. Void Elves pretty much have every class they can without their condition crossing one or more lore tripwires because the forces involved are either diametrically opposed and incompatible OR would be corrupted by the void itself. The best bet you have for expansion is a Demon Hunter, but that depends how well the void and the fel can get along. I recall Xhul’horac was a void-fel revenant, but I also recall he was barely holding himself together and combining his void and fel leavings normally resulted in a wipe.

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Draenei and Orcs would be the best races to add Demon Hunters too.(though I think they’ll probably add it to Humans).

Void Elves and Nightborne would be boring palette swaps.

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I hope they don’t add it to humans.

Draenei are lacking classes compared to a humans and they will look better and more interesting than humans would.

I agree but I still think they will add it to humans over Draenei.