Demon hunter's damage source question

what is their damage now because it’s countered by both a physical bop and anti-magic shell

Welcome to the weirdest interaction class in the whole game

It’s basically the most weird thing in the entire game that is very hard to explain

Blade Dance (Death Sweep in meta) has the dmg to the target Chaos, but the aoe cleave dmg is Physical. Everything else is magic.

The Hunt is Chaos dmg (magical), but if you use it on a target with BoP the target will be immune to the hit and not take the dot. But if you BoP after The Hunt, the dot will remain and tick for chaos dmg.

DH Interrupt (kick) causes targets with BoP (physical immunity) to get Precognition if he kicks into BoP, but at the same time it is counted as a magical kick, so if a Mistweaver pops Revival 2 second immunity and you kick into it, the kick will also be immuned and cause Precognition

DH single target stun (Fel Eruption) however goes through BoP, and as far as I know, there is some even more weird interaction with Cloak of Shadows where if you use the stun early on a Rogue with cloak it will get immuned, but if you use it later while cloak is still up the stun will go through (this was like this in Shadowlands and early DF, not sure if it is still a thing)

Even though Chaos Strike / Annihilation is magic (chaos dmg), you still can’t hit through BoP as if its a spell, as it is considered a Physical ability that deals magic dmg :rofl: The same goes for Essence Break

Everything else is pure magic dmg with normal magic dmg interactions, e.g consumed by AMS, anti magic zone, reduced by diffuse magic, removed by Cloak of shadows etc

Prob because its Nature from its core and only transformed to chaos with the talent.

" Chaos is a school of magic wielded by warlocks and demon hunters. It’s a uniquely comprehensive multi-school combining five or more of the seven damage types. It always includes Arcane, Fire, Frost, Nature, Shadow and can optionally include Holy and Physical."

So I wouldnt be too surprised if the hunt charge includes phys with chaos but the dot dont. x)
Not sure how it works without the talent though if it goes through bop with just nature or if its also considered nature/phys.

Also with shaman grounding preventing the kick, havent tested precog with it but hope it also gives precog

Grounding didnt work for demonking kick

Disrupt is magic school and pretty sure grounding blocked it in shadowlands the little i played resto till it became hpriest meta for rest of expansion like with hpala currently

Did they change something of disrupt not being magic or grounding just never ate it in first place?

Also long time no see Mindhoven, hello :hand_with_index_finger_and_thumb_crossed:

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Yeah till shadowlands it worked. But now it doesnt… i press grounding and wanna hex that burning demonthing, but gt kicked… :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

Ps: hello my friend, nice seeing you again :slight_smile: :heart:

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What… So confirmed that disrupt is not blocked anymore by grounding even when the kick is magic and so on and so on???

Is it a bug or why :thinking:

Like Irony mentioned, nobody knows whats up there… not even our activision boys i think…

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Jesus i want this expansion to be over so bad… Theres so many bugs even so late on the xp and everything is weird

Disrupt apparently gets modified by Any Means Necessary so it turns to chaos (looked at WoWhead). So it could prob be added to physical aswell so avoided by grounding. Its a weird interaction sure, but there is some explanations to it in some weird ways.

the ability itself requires melee range and it does not count as a spell.
so the button press is physical so to say and only the effect that gets applied after landing the kick is of a magic school.
its comparable to asphyxiate from dk, just the other way around. asphyxiate is a physical stun but the ability itself is a spell. thats why grounding prevents it regardless of the applied stun effect being physical.

What makes it even more weird is that it counted as magical effect in shadowlands and grounding ate the kick but now in df apparently not even tho its still announced as magical school in wowhead :tipping_hand_man:

I seem to have missed the notes aswell that said they would had changed this as its big part of rsham gameplay to be able to cast, would be nice to get announce of such changes if its intented and not bug

as i said the effect that gets applied by the ability doesnt matter. what matters for grounding is wether the ability is a spell or not. otherwise asphyxiate (physical stun) would not be prevented by grounding either. but asphyxiate is prevented since its a spell.

i think they changed other things of that nature as well for DF. spear of bastion from warrior was magical in SL and now in DF it is physical as far as im aware.

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with all respect the only thing that matters is that grounding prevented dh kick in shadowlands and apparently now it doesnt :slight_smile:

and ive not seen any patch note which claim blizz would had changed something for grounding or dhs disrupt, so this makes it weird

jesus they rly should announce these changes, players cant be suspected to just constantly adapt and test all this type of stuff they are customed to do like press grounding to make a hex or surge

The easiest way to check this is by just stop using “Any Means Necessary” and test it. But because I do not have a subscription on my other account im not gonna bother. xD

They did announce the spear of bastion change with a dev note if I dont remember it wrong =p
The spear of bastion change were def announced ahead of time.

Alright, I did edit what you answered to.

you quoted me talking about rsham grounding related him trying cast hex and surge vs dh and you comment related spear of bastion

wheres the grounding and disrupt announce? :joy:

Depends if the talent is the cause of it or not.
If the talent is the reason why you cant ground it anymore, then there was no reason to announce it.
If they changed it so you cant ground it even without it, then it would been better if it was announced, but I dont remember too old patch notes either.

what talent??

It turns magic to chaos which makes it also add physical.