Today, after opening the vault, I cancelled my subscription.
I play all week to get 6 slots from the vault, nothing comes out. I do all the hc raid, I get nothing out. For what reason am I playing?
I haven’t done an upgrade in two/three weeks.
The main problem is the drop of trinkets. All the strongest trinkets drop out of the raid.
Since the beginning of the patch I have always cleared all the heroic and always with 3 slots of the vault every week: never seen dropping even 1 of the 4 good trinkets that can come out of the heroic.
For a player who is trying to do difficult content (+23) it starts to get really limiting.
I don’t know if it’s the group loot’s fault, but in the past, with personal loot, I’ve never had the entire raid finished multiple times without a single loot. On a theoretical level it should be more or less the same, in reality it is not.
Plus, almost ironically, it is always the lowest dps that wins the loot (rolling around above 95). Since the patch started, I think my highest roll has been 67.
All this is really demotivating. I wish there was a way for people who do difficult content to be able to directly choose an item to buy from the vendor at some point. Like, if you complete a difficult content you drop a token and after 10 tokens you can buy the item you want from the raid loot table and/or m+.
Your solution is not well thought out and your roll luck is anecdotal but generally I feel your pain. RNG on extremely valuable items can be extremely frustrating and it’s seriously screwing over people trying to push for high end content.
I would like system like it was in shadowlands season 4 where you cleared content you get currency and then buy the OP stuff from vendor…
I also hate this
because it is also my experience that someone who is literally dying or doing less then tank dps is winning loot and it is frustrating
I did lost neltharion sword like that
Why isn’t the vendor option a well thought out solution?
It worked well enough in the past and it still works well in the MMO that allegedly has more active subs than WoW right now
I only play m+ (resto shaman), but my best 2 trinkets drops in raid so I have no way of getting them. At least you have a small % of getting it but to be fair atm I am only doing 17-18s, so this is not the limiting factor, but it would still be nice to somehow get them…
It sounds like you’re only playing for the Dopamine fix you get from running content for Loot.
I would suggest that if you have reached the point on one character where you are waiting for 1 or 2 absolutely BiS item. Maybe it’s time to start playing and gearing up another alt. That will keep your Dopamine withdrawals at bay as you’ll be back to the good feeling of getting upgrades again.
Whilst your main can continue to wait for the rarer items.
On the other hand, the loot system isn’t designed for Dopamine Junkies, it’s for people who actually enjoy the challenges in the game.
The minor, delayed power gains above 440 are meant to be a padding for bad groups to beat mythic raids and +20s, but most people don’t need them.
When pushing 20+ keys though, your game starts when you’re in bis.
Rolling for loot and the general scarcity of actual upgrades in this RNG system is nostalgic but truly a legacy of different times.
In the past, the game was more about the game itself. You were playing for the sake of playing. The focus was more on the story and progression of levels, which was definitely an effort-based system.
The game had a lot more community focus. If not with your friends then with your guild. If not with them then with your enclosed server. Even pugs gave a bit of community because of the focus on dungeons being bigger events than they are now.
Now its all about loot. Getting stronger. Min-maxing. That isn’t bad, its just the way the tale develops. People figured out the game and how to beat it.
Blizzard knows this and implements systems to keep us from reaching the “end of the game” via being fully geared.
They know that there’s a limit to what people can and/or want to do post gearing. There’s only so many times you can run the same instance and enjoy it, but if there’s a limited chance of your BiS maguffin piece dropping, you’ll jump straight back into another key/queue/whatever to try again.
Its not an easy job for Blizzard to do the right thing though. In a perfect world, they’d have rivetting story worth months of playtime, extensine PvP and challenging PvE that’d take an age before it go repetitive. They’d also have a linear and fulfilling gear progression system based on effort and with a robust enough game that people continued to want to play after reach max ilvl.
in the past we also received a token each raid boss we downed so in case we didn’t receive any loot we could always collect enough tokens to buy it in some weeks. i don’t understand how this rng is supposed to be engaging, beyond appealing to gamble addicts.
If this was Legion or BFA, you could have used like at least 15 reroll coins by now on trying to get both your trinkets.
Sadly players got tricked by Blizzard when they pulled the great failure known as the vault. Which is the dumbest gearing in Wow history.
That the vault exists for raid items is an abomination, crime against gearing in video games.
Like, you killed this super tough awesome boss! NOW YOU GET TO WAIT UNTIL WEDNSDAY TO SEE IF YOU GET LOOT . Honestly have no idea who came up with this moronic system.
Is no one going to point out that you can get half a spark from vault if its bad loot now? That allows you to craft 447 item every week making only trinkets and last 2 mythic raid bosses loot better. Even if you only do 16s its far better than almost anything you can get in vault
But I totally understand Blizzard on this: objectively if there weren’t those 3-4 OP items in the raid, who would keep two fixed nights a week, coordinating 20 players for 3 hours straight every week? Maybe 15% of the current players who raid would continue to do so.
You are right, the problem is that I would be back to square one. Everything else works well, because you can craft almost all the equipment without any problems if you are unlucky with the loot. The problem always remains the trinkets. And let’s face it: there are MUCH stronger trinkets in raid.
The answer is clear: according to them, it is the only way to keep you staying subscribed. They still haven’t realized that if the gearing is clear and FAIR, people start playing with alt as well.
And I’ll tell you in all honesty, I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next vault (the last one before my subscription runs out) I’ll find Sarkaret’s trinket. I still maintain that there is always the hand of Blizzard underneath.
you are 440 ilvl, why you expect good items in vault on this stage of character progression? honestly i’d expect to recieve trash items, especially if most of your gear is bis items
Because it’s really a problem when you try to do very difficult content, where having or not a certain kind of trinket makes a difference.
For those who are doing the mythic >21 or for those who have cleared the mythic raid, just let them have all the gear bis and that’s it.
The fact that another retri paladin in Echo makes 50k with the same ilvl as me and wins the class trinket while me making 110k loses it. For him it is a practically useless upgrade because he would have to learn how to play the class first, while for me that extra 2-3% dps could make a difference when I’m pushing a +23.
okay and? you can grind until bis item will drop, i was grinding for not wq version of irideus fragment for a long time and it dropped me from vault this week, and i still don’t have class trinket from neltharion encounter, but i don’t have entitlement that i should have it immediately.
Because for people like you who are trying to do the 16, the very rare class trinket or the sarkaret back is useless.
Yes, I saw that you have it.
It could also be that you have very little time to play, but I bet if you got better at using your class you could make a lot more dps than any loot you could find.
While the same is not true for me, I am simply limited by the RNG.
so I have no way of getting them. At least you have a small % of getting it 
