Blizzard please make this addon NOT share combat logging with other user’s of it, It should be an option to stop all combat logging or make it “private” so it cannot be accessed via addons unless you allow it.
I am currently learning to play Enhancement Shaman and ofc eventually you need to step into higher keys so stuff isnt dying as fast and the last thing i need is someone “Shaman your dps sucks” or “Shaman you aint doing X” when I am trying to learn.
All this tool does is promote toxicity between players and enables some players to “use” it as a justification of their belittlement and berating other players who are either learning or not as skilled as some other players (lets face it, It’s usually the higher rated players who are queueing on alts for an 8 / 10 or something, because we all know that high rio = massive ego trip for a lot (Ofc theres exceptions coz there always is).
I can see why F14 doesnt allow combat tracking, Details is a nice tool for trying to improve yourself with target dummy’s but dummy’s will only get you so far but the fact that it automatically shares my data with other users without so it has it’s place for “if you want to compete against your friends” or just as a self improvement tool.
Other than that it should be down to the user “if they want to share their information with pug’s” (It also shows other peoples DPS who are not using the addon which I think is disgusting…)
There is the option for all systems that go over to other players (RIO, logs and I think even details). You can always opt on that. But, if you don’t send DPS data, other people’s addons can pull it from the games standard combat logs although very inaccurately.
Truth is that not many know about every player having choice whether they want or don’t want to share this type of data for single purpose: you are not playing with PuGs without those, as they will filter you out immediately. So only way forward is queued content or full premade of yours with friends.
Whether the data they pull is “inaccurate” or not it still should be a player decision to “share” this information with an addon or not.
This is the exact behaviour I am talking about people are using these tools as a way to justify their toxic (well not toxic but more like discriminative behaviour “Oh you dont have 2.8k IO”. or “You do not have full 4 set” etc… but lets face it even without these tools people were toxic (I remember standing outside The Eye to be inspected by the Raid Leader to ensure I was good enough to enter), So I guess it,s just how this community works within an MMORPG environment.
It is data that is not private, and it does not belong to you, so I do not think there is a way for addon devs to exclude it from it being tracked. If they can all it achieves is that it blocks you out of pug content as a result.
All it would achieve is more declines, or you will be the one taking the blame for everything as you have no logs to show that you handled a mechanic correctly (damage taken logs). If people want to pick at you they will find a way, if not for your DPS then because you opted out of sharing said data.
The only reason disallowing DPS meter works in FF14 is because, to my knowledge, they have a strict no addon policy that includes every addon there is. They aren’t actively tracking it, but being reported for it means a suspension or ban.
Even then people still use it, as well as logging as you cannot get into statics without having logs.
This is the EXACT behaviour that is against the T&C,s of the agreement
Section C : Article 11
Disruption / Harassment: Engage in any conduct intended to disrupt or diminish the game experience for other players, or disrupt operation of Blizzard’s Platform in any way, including:
Disrupting or assisting in the disruption of any computer used to support the Platform or any Game environment. ANY ATTEMPT BY YOU TO DISRUPT THE PLATFORM OR UNDERMINE THE LEGITIMATE OPERATION OF ANY GAME MAY BE A VIOLATION OF CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAWS.
Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Codes of Conduct or In-Game Policies.
Specifially 1 and 3.
But ofc because its through Details it’s acceptable behaviour?
No it,s not but joining a group with me and THEN proceeding to purposefully quit, or nitpick on my gameplay abilitys is a direct violation of 1 and 3 because you are adversely affecting my gameplay experience.
I prob would but don’t know how plus when I’m raiding guildies usually have logs running anyway. But it would be interesting at times to see my logs after keys. For personal use only ofc
M+ logs are more complicated and skewed. Its not that about dmg, rather abstract points - like key level, execution speed, time left when you finish etc.
It is purely informative and usually more optimistic than raid logs
Exactly, Which is why I believe tools such as Details which are basically promoting this behaviour
“You do too little DPS , Man you suck”
“You didnt interrupt enough”
“You suck at healing”
“Paper Tank FTW…”
“This group sucks because DPS is too low”
Etc… The list can go on and on which are all valid statements in someone’s eye’s somewhere when eyeing over Details, Without Details people would not know this information and MANY people do not know Interrupts are not counted like Shadowfury, Incap Totem and such like are not counted so if I axe toss a cast and then shadowfury a pack and interrupt 3 casters it still only shows 1 interrupt, So these addon’s are not perfect.
“You only got a 20% parse on Rashanan”
“You have the lowest HPS Ansurek”
“You didnt use defensives correctly on Ansurek”
Warcraftlogs also fall’s under this category,
Basically anything which promotes or can enable negative comments towards people which will affect their gameplay experience is against them.
Again all in direct violation of the T&C,s.
Sure if someone see’s their logs and think’s “Omg i only got a 28% parse on Bloodbound, How can I improve and THEN asks for the help and advice from someone more experienced” this is allowed behaviour.
The account, data and everything in the game is owned by Blizzard, If they decide addons cannot read combat logs they can do it. They can even ban you for no reason if they so wished.
And TOS speak about players action using data provided, not data itself and that is the caveat.
Blizzard solved this case by allowing each player to block their output.
From legal point it is okay - you can block or allow data to flow, and nobody should grief you because of said data.
Practically it means no pugging with people who use these.
PS they were very careful with setting these systems up because they had to meet criteria of multiple legal systems on these data types and allowed uses of information. Their lawyer teams really made sure nobody can get at them.
If you’re doing content where your ability to play the game impacts the success of the group, and are aware of both your inability to do that and your unwillingness to improve, why are you trying to do that content?
Diagnosing problems and solving them is part of progressing content, and in order to do that you need either honesty or data. I think people are genuinely less likely to play with you if you don’t show up on details than if you show up but underperform.
Hold on, because I probably have a very large gap of knowledge here.
As far as I know, Details does not need to “co-ordinate” with other clients to show damage done by another player in one’s vicinity. The in-game Combat Log itself literally does that, and Details simply collects data from the Combat Log, not from the Details’s data of other clients.
One does not even need Details to see another player’s performance in their vicinity. Just check the in-game combat log (and parse it through any tool).
Read some guides, practice on dummies until you feel comfortable with your rotation and CD usage. It sounds to me like your more bothered by people noticing you playing poorly in content you’re not ready for than actually improving to a point where you’ll be equal in that content.
plus when I’m raiding guildies usually have logs running anyway. But it would be interesting at times to see my logs after keys. For personal use only ofc