I am 192 ilvl, 535 rio, i get declined in a +3 mythic… im trying for 2 hrs to get accepted ,is impossible, raid, M+… is a bit late now to start from 0 with gearing and so on another class… Blizzard really doesnt care about my money spent to play,literally im forced to lose now more time making a new class from 0 or to play tank… and i dont like to play tank…5% is nothing, with legendary for aoe and 5% instead of 2.8 3k at the end of the dungeon , you will have 3.3k 3.4k maximum, IF you have 193ilvl+ … is useless and they really dont care about it… and is very very stressfull to play a class and to relly on your keys and guild runs only… because in pug no one is inviting you… darkness thing is nothing if your class doesnt help the dungeon with DPS…so rip dh…blizzard is sleeping at the moment unfortunatelly…i love this game, playing it since vanilla and never felt so lost like now
Yeah I’m experiencing the same. Everyone wants ranged DPS.
The 5% buff isn’t what we needed. More like 30%.
Why should I take a melee who does the same DPS as a ranged that deals with half the mechanics and takes far less damage?
I’m only getting into guild mythics. Pugs are out of the question.
Clueless players were shedding tears 24/7 because they were getting ganked in open world and random bgs by DHs that overwhelmingly outgeared and outskilled them.
This is the result.
That is the sad part … DHs were never even that OP, at the same time you had MM hunts that killed you from stealth with sniper shot (legion), rogs that … one shot you … Fire mages that … one shot you … destro locks that … one shot you …
And here is DH, solid melee, but never really stacked in MDI (unlike BM hunts and fire mages who were the true op classes) and DH just got nerfed into the ground, they took a lot from us and at the same time gave a lot to every other class … Not really that surprising we are weak af, we would be weak af even with prenerf blurr, dodge on blade dance etc … We were just nerfed because “DH IS DOING TOO WELL FOR HOW EASY IT IS” sure … because every other class is a rocket science.
DH was never OP period. Middlepack in Nyalotha, bottom 5 in 3v3.
183 iLvl, same story, forced playing kyrian tank, not my cup of tea and wont play from scratch on other class as I payed to play DH… most likely unsub on the way, sadface
Why can DH players never understand what people mean when they said this about dh in BFA? Is it really so hard to understand?
When you say things like that you are showing that you have no idea about what people are talking about you focus is so narrow that you do not understand what so ever.
I will not even try to explain it because you are so narrowminded that you would not want to understand.
Now back on topic Havoc is not in a good spot it is not the end of the world but it is not in a good spot you can still do the content just fine, you are just learning how it is for every other spec that was not in the meta in BFA.
Because we don’t speak Klingonian. In the real world ‘overpowered’ means ridiculously strong to the point of imbalance. Havoc never fit that bill in BFA. At no point in the whole expansion.
I was not a DH player in BFA and I never thought DH was op in BFA, was it a bit annoying sometimes ? yea (usually in pvp tho, I did not give a crap about DH in pve, outlaw/uhdk were better anyways imo) … But it was A tier at best, nowhere close to fire mage, bm hunt and dlock.
You said you do not want to explain it, please try, because as it looks now, it seems you just want to say “YOU WERE OP BUT NO LONGER, BUT I HAVE NO ARGUMENTS SO I WILL NOT BOTHER DEFENDING MY STATEMENT”.
The difference is that the classes that “WERE NOT META” in BFA had multiple specs that usually were meta (it is same now, fury is bad, but arms is … mediocre at least), so they could at least respec and no spec did 25% less ST and did same dmg as tanks. Seriously this vitriol towards DH is ridicilous.
Also saying DH is not in a good spot is a bloody understatement, we have 1 dps spec and that spec is in the 3 weakest, which makes us the weakest dps class by a longshot, we die instantly in pvp and without choosing Nightfae we do no burst in pvp (in burst meta), our mobility is lackluster as well as you can just root or slow us and we cant really catchup.
Seriously every class got some toys back, but DHs got a lot of stuff removed, our blade dance is not worth pressing in ST, same as Immo aura, we have no real legendaries compared to other classes etc. If we were not “in a good spot” forums would not be rioting, but both EU and US DH forums are really pissed and you see the spam, if we were just weak, not that many people would bother, but we are straight out useless as it is. If you check pvp stats you can see DH class representation in pvp is 1,5% overall (rog is at 40 or something) and we were probably the most played class in BFA, you can just see how much blizz screwed DH when majority of the playerbase rather rerolls and the rest that have not rerolled yet are constantly spamming forums with pretty much the same feedback.
Noone is asking Blizz to make DH broken or something, we just wanna play, thats all, and people like you who just smear the salt in our wounds by saying “but you were op lololo” do not help at all. Also even if we were OP in the previous 2 expansions (which DHs were not) it is SHL, not BFA, not Legion, but SHL and in the current state of the game Havoc is probably the weakest, most clunky, most squishy useless spec overall.
As i played hunter as paladin has been bad for the last 3 expansions now, I can tell you that is literally a lie.
BM hunter came into the meta only when season 4 was a thing in dungeons.
Neither do I but they where incredibly strong always was in the meta from season 1 to season 4 in some form was mandatory for raids as the damage the debuff brings is worth more then 1-2 players worth of damage (depending on patch) The defensive was super strong for many forms of content and more.
Interesting you say this PLAY VENGANCE it is SUPER strong right now and the highest dps tank.
If you mean dps specs then Retribution paladin is saying you are just wrong.
WELCOME to where RETRIBUTION and WW have been for raids the last 2-6 YEARS.
Yes DH was strong, it was not the strongest, it was not usually stacked in MDI, but it was strong thats for sure.
The buff is cute, but it will not secure you a spot in m+ or arena, or raid atm … as you can just bring vengeance.
I am talking about DPS specs, sure you can go veng, but I probably cannot go veng and play a third tank in my raid instead of dps. Warrs got 2 specs so if one of them is bottom … they usually can play the other one, same with majority of classes, but pally, dh, monk, priest.
I know where you were I played R3 for a long time and I was as pissed as I am now and thats why I always said that dps specs with 1 DPS spec should be at least mediocre as they got no other choice, let one of the rog, hunt, mage, lock, warr specs be the bottom, but if you put R3, ww, DH at the bottom, you just kill the whole class.
Also tbh even when WW and R3 were weaker I never thought they were as useless as DH is now.
Also talking about Veng … Vengeance is not really that strong in raids, it is used in m+ mostly because it can kite and no tank can face tank most of the higher m+, it will fall off due to its squishiness, but it is cute seeing Vengeance literally not one of the 2 weakest tanks for the first time since it came out and people are already crying out for veng nerfs.
Maybe calm down, kiddo?
People who were crying about DH om BFA (and I strongly believe you are one of them), failed to realize why DH was strong (and the fact is, a good DH was strong, a mediocre one was worse then your middle of the pack class) was because of the borrowed power; namely azerite gear and corruption.
The underlying talents and rotation of HDH was subpar at best, but nobody cares aboit that, they just want to cry because it’s popular to cry about it. And now what do you have? MM hunters and Sub Rogues get to roam free because you cried wolf before.
Anywho, you’re clearly unfit to discuss about class balance when you can’t even pinpoint the problematic aspect of it, let alone keep your emotions out of the discussion.
Why are you even here?
wtf did i just read ?
If it was incredibly strong why was it among the last repped at high rating?
I want to know how hard is it for Blizzard to simply look at logs and immediately know which specs need buff and by how much.
This is a pretty ironic statement coming from someone who is completely clueless about both the previous and current state of DH-s.
There were better classes than DH in raids, m+ and pvp as well. That’s not what you call OP. They were strong, yes, (no, still not OP) but that was because of their Azerite traits that had good synergy with everything. Guess what, they lost it just like everyone else, they got hit by it harder than others, and on top of that they recieved a lot of nerfs that won’t be compensated by a 5% overall buff.
There is no need for further discussion about this. This is not being narrowminded, some people just know the facts instead of forum/reddit whining.
Dh’s was rather over the top in some content, they where also about in the middle in other contents and there was contents they where bad at so why argue?
If you like your DH Im’s sure they will buff it, you only got 1 dps specialization after all and I can’t see why blizzard would let this class be worse than other classes for a whole patch.
If you want to ride the fotm train you might want to change class though.
I also can’t see why ret paladins and WW monks (if we are talking about classes with one dps spec, but there are more specs who suffered because of this) were way below average for many expansions and why Blizzard didn’t even attempted to make them better. But it happened. Havoc being the only dps spec for DH doesn’t mean that they will bend over backwards to make them good. Especially after seeing this nonsense buff they just gave it.
and we were probably the most played class in BFA
This is, for me, the single and main point of the nerf.
People is arguing over if it was due to other players complaining about DH. The nerf hammer hit was so, so, so, SO brutal that I’m pretty sure Blizzard knows what was doing and this situation is rolling as expected.
They wanted to cut the population in half, and you bet they did it well.