I don’t get it, people still keep repeating this myth as some kind of mantra.
When you question it, then they admit and keep changing the goalposts.
First it’s “DHs are OP!”. Then you explain to them your experiences against unkillable warrior that almost one-shot you, a huntar that almost 2-shot you, a rogue that stunkilled you, a shaman you couldn’t dent as DH…
Then the argument CHANGES. They keep changing the goalpost. Now it’s suddenly “DHs with GEAR are OP!”.
Then you can get into a debate as to how OP are highly geared DKs, etc. and rogues - and suddenly they change it again.
“Well, you have to know how to play it” or “You need wits and skill”.
Really? I thought DHS WERE OP, why would they need all these extra things suddenly?
Furthermore, it changes the argument COMPLETELY.
Let’s say for argument’s sake, that ‘DHS are OP if they have gear, wits and skill’.
That’s a COMPLETELY different statement to “DHs are OP!”.
If “DHs are OP!”, then a lowbie DH can kill a highly-geared DK, warrior, huntar, shaman or rogue (couldn’t kill any of these, they easily killed me in BGs and brawls).
A level 92 Paladin can kill 110 DH easily.
So what is “OP” anyway? What do people mean by “OP”?
Have they encountered higher-geared DHs that have somehow outplayed them?
It’s funny, how people say it requires ‘brain’ and ‘wits’ and ‘skill’ to play DH, but the same people quickly say, DH is a brainless 2-button class, boring and OP and easy.
So which is it? Isn’t it funny, how people can switch sides and opinions depending on which side they think is more insulting? This kind of proves people here don’t even want to know, tell, believe or explain the truth, all they care about is insulting innocent players can calling them ‘trash’ and saying they should somersault off a cliff.
I don’t say things like this, I don’t curse, I don’t insult, and yet, people often gang upon me and start saying horrible things to me, without knowing me at all. Just because my honest expressions of my everyday reality as DH doesn’t please their “DH is OP!”-myth belief system.
Maybe it’s cognitive dissonance or something, but I don’t get why, even if people disagree with me (and those people obviously don’t play a normal DH), do they have to be so incredibly hostile, mean, evil, toxic and insulting.
Can’t we discuss in a civilized manner? Can’t we respect each other as human beings and fellow players? Do we have to try to make each other feel bad?
Here are some absurd comments thrown my way:
“DH with 0 kills, hahahaha” (on a BG where I never met the enemy at all, we won it really quickly)
“A [censored] DH saying this?”
“Somersault off a cliff”
“Get over yourself” (probably the kindest of this type statements, ever)
“It’s not DH that’s bad, it’s u r trash” (without any explanations, of course, because the aim is not to explain, but to insult)
It’s interesting, how quickly and easily people turn to insults even when (and this is usually always) I am as respectful, well-mannered, clear and non-insulting in my communication. I don’t talk trash about people’s abilities or playing skills, I don’t mention anyone’s gear, I don’t talk about their parents, I endeavour to be as civil and as respectful as I can, and immediately people hurl verbal poison and vomit on my face anyway.
It’s possible that people mean something specific about “OP”, but when I hear that word, I think of level 92 Paladin beating level 110 DH in a duel without problems. So from that experience, where I have felt OP as Paladin, I would conclude I should feel just as OP as a DH, IF DH is so OP.
I should be able to beat a 606K HP warrior as 384K HP DH, IF DH is OP.
If you need all kinds of ‘extras’ for DHs to be OP, perhaps it’s time to stop saying DHs are OP, or AT LEAST rectify that statement to something like:
“Highly-geared DHs that have wits, skills, experience, knowledge and lots of PvE gear, can sometimes do a lot of damage to a low-level warrior”, or something along those lines.
If GEAR, SKILLS and WITS (or BRAIN) are all required for DHS to be OP, then “DH is OP!” can’t be true.
I am a DH, and I am NEVER OP. Sometimes I can kill many players in a BG, when their gear level is lower than mine, or something. I am not a very good player, I don’t really know what I am doing, I don’t have much corruption, I am only playing BGs for fun, not making it into some kind of core life project.
So if DHs are OP, I should be able to kill players left and right without effort. If DHs are really “2-button class”, I should be able to use EXACTLY TWO BUTTONS (impossible, since even movement requires more) to do all this.
I can only theorize of course, but perhaps people’s skewed misconception about DH being somehow ‘OP’ comes from their own past experiences, perhaps in Legion, where DH actually HAD some kind of power. Perhaps they were a lowbie warrior against highly-geared DH that has all kinds of corruptions and enchants and who knows what (I really can’t keep up with that kind of stuff, I just want to play). And that traumatized them, and now they think DHs are somehow OP.
When I play on BGs, my experience is usually, I can POSSIBLY have 2 KBs if I work really hard, and there’s a big team and I am lucky and I am healed and their players are not 600K, MAYBE. But most of the time I am just uselessly punching something that keeps its HP above 80% and it never goes down, and then I die.
That’s 90% of my experiences in BGs in a battle - I punch and punch and use salt water potion and rain from above and can barely dent a shaman or rogue, then they heal fully and stunkill me when I land, etc. Blade dance does exactly nothing, and I am stunned constantly. Leech doesn’t seem to work very well for me, especially since I can barely do much punching after I use Metamorphosis, since I am in some rogue stun most of the time anyway.
So this MYTH really needs to end and people need to stop reciting mantra that does NOT fit reality. When my reality is that I am never top DPs, never top damage, never top KBs, and am LUCKY if I don’t die more than 7 times, and can never dent a healer, warrior, huntar, rogue, shaman, let alone a DK, then maybe the REALITY of what DH is should be what people are saying.
“DH is UP!” would be better, but it resembles the english word ‘up’, instead of saying ‘underpowered’.
“DH CAN be OP, if it’s super-highly geared and in the hands of a superfast brain and skilled player, but it will still be easily killed by lowbie rogues” would be the most truthful mantra to say about DHs, but I guess people are too stubborn to change their minds and their opinions based on such trivial things like ACTUAL REALITY or TRUTH.
So I am not holding my breath… I just wish people could check the reality and then decide what mantra they will recite before blindly saying “DH is OP!”.
Is this too much to ask?
As a sidenote; Battlegrounds would be 1000 x more fun, if ROGUES were deleted or at least FINALLY properly nerfed, so a DH could at least have SOME kind of chance. I can sometimes ESCAPE a rogue (when it decides base is more important to get than to kill me, but not if it decides to kill me), after it attacks out of nowhere and stabs 70% of my HP away in stun before I can do anything…
Rogues never die, they always vanish and come back with full HP if I manage to ever dent them, and usually I can’t dent them - one BG today, I shot all my ‘rain from above’ into a rogue, it had 50% when I began, and about 49% HP when I landed. Didn’t use cloak or anything, it just took the hits. You can guess how that ended…