I thought magic was allowed if you choose it as weapon instead of axe or so.
So magic is fine but magic and another weapon isnt.
Also isnt it no armor aswell?
I am glad I am not the only one who thinks Saurfang got nerfed to hell, he should be a lot better than that.
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You got that impression NOW?
Saurfang was sweating bullets with Malfurion on a melee combat.
And the elf hadn’t even transformed. Nor wasn’t attacking him with anything remotely magical.
Especially if you compare it to things like the Garrosh - Taran Zhu duel, where Garrosh got to present some real anime action representing the Warrior class…
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He was sad for so long he lost all his rage
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Ish, lol. Which part? Where he catches Taran’s weapon? Uses a chain and axe? Lands a good punch? All of it?
Yes…?
Malfurion is still in his prime and is aruably the most powerful druid. He had bear claws ffs.
Sylvanas is…? Barely shown using melee weapons and somehow is amazing at them. Compare what the Forsaken did to him in Lost Honor and compare what Sylvanas did. It is stupid. She has just been buffed in every single department without explanation. Not even the characters know how.
At least have him do more than throw one attack out before getting wrecked.
I’d say we can’t determine whether it is cheating or not, for the same arguments given here in this thread and elsewhere - the rules are pretty much ignored.
However, I do think there is a considerable difference between using an enchanted weapon and blasting some weird, unknown magic to the opponent. The Mak’gora by itself is a display of strength, and not knowledge of magic.
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I’d say this is the case as well.
Maybe - MAYBE - if both participants agreed beforehand to use magic, it would fly, but we’ve never seen anything like that so as far as I can tell; a special weapon (like Gorehowl or Shalamayne) is fine, flinging fireballs in your opponent’s face is not.
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Someone who had never shown any kind of prowess in melee combat, and who now was suddenly beating a veteran warrior wielding a massive war axe and deflecting his blows with a fist weapon.
Nothing Druidic about said confrontation, not a single spell was uttered, and Malfurion fought (or to be more precise, slapped Varok around), effortlessly in his humanoid form.
Don’t know if that was Saurfang getting nerfed, or Malfurion being pumped.
Just to note, that I think that there is a precedent in Blood of the Highborne were a warrior fights a mage in a Makgora.
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Alright. For the sake of this argument I will say Malfurion got pumped in melee as well.
So what is your point then? It is fair because Malfurion also got buffed so Sylvanas got buffed or do you have anything else to say about why Saurfang should have been stronger than what he was protrayed?
Or are you hoping to change the subject to Malfurion vs Saurfang in a attempt to not have to argue about Sylvanas’s power buff she got in melee?
That Saurfangs character has been consistently used to signal a particular message an appeal in a certain way to players emotions. And it required of him to be portrayed in certain ways in his confrontations.
In short, the issue with his portrayal goes far beyond his final confrontation with Sylvanas.
Regardless of whether that is right or wrong it is irrelevant to this conversation. Saurfang should have (at the very least) lasted more than just one strike before getting destroyed and having to rely on some gimmick to get a hit in or a stereotypical monologuing villain to be retarded.
I think Blizzard’s point is that Saurfang IS an incredible warrior (one of the best the horde has to offer) yet still gets owned by Sylvanas, whose weakest area should be close combat.
Saurfang would likely have destroyed her in such a setting before…but not now.
Blizzard are setting her up to be some sort of major player and they want us to know just how big and bad she is and perhaps how much bigger and badder she may yet become.
Its like - if melee is Sylvanas’ weakest area and she can beat this legendary warrior without batting an eyelash, imagine what she must now be capable of in her areas of strength.
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Regarding his melee combat, it was a matter of agility vs brute force. So it could go either way.
Although I do agree he should’ve given more of a fight instead of being automatically bested with such ease. The way Sylvanas blocked a two handed blow with a single dagger seemed weird (they should’ve made her try and dodge it).
Regarding the magic bit, I’d say that with zero magic protection that result came more expected and reasonable.
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They definitely don’t seem very concerned with making things realistic even in the more realistic CGI cutscenes. This is comparable to Varian dropping from an airship and killing a Fel Reaver by stabbing it in the head, and then fighting some more once he lands, instead of instantly shattering all the bones in his body when he collided with the Reaver.
I would suggest that Sylvanas defeating Saurfang in melee combat is more about the “power level” increase she’s getting as a result of her being made a main villain rather than a genuine display of skill vs. skill. That feels more like Blizzard’s intent, anyway.
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To be honest I always assumed “Mak’gora” to essentially just be a general challenge to individual combat, and had no specific rules other than the ones agreed upon by combatants for that specific Mak’gora. To me, if you’re challenging Sylvanas then and there, you’re challenging her with whatever weapons she has unless you say “no magic”. There’s been Mak’gora with magic before, so there’s a precedent.
Is it honorable to fight a warrior with magic? I don’t know. Saurfang walked into the fight wielding a magical weapon (Shalamayne).
What the hell are the rules of that duel anyway? Cause if we are going by the old set of rules and looking at Garrosh vs Thrall and Saurfang vs Sylvanas, the only one who didn’t cheat is Garrosh.
Furthermore, keep in mind that Saurfang vs Sylvanas wasn’t a battle, it was a sacrifice or suicide since Saurfang, or rather Sadfang intended to die to prove some point about honor and… stuff. Shame Sylvanas didn’t know about Woodrow’s famous quote about murdering someone who is commiting suicide.
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I agree. And it’s a shame.
Would’ve enjoyed a realistic fight where both showcased their strong fighting points.
I understand that they wanted to paint Sylvanas as villanious as possible, but they could’ve still done so without making it all seem as one-sided.
The result could’ve been the same, but how the combat went could have been vastly improved.
But I guess they wanted to show Sylvanas as some evil chick that toyed with him before blasting his face.
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Does it really matter? Honor is a handicap of Saurfang’s ideal Horde.
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The rules of a Mak’gora seem to be different between each Mak’gora, since they are chosen and set by the participants themselves. Generally, there are thus no specific rules. The only consistent theme in all Mak’gora is that the pair must fight to the death or until submission. Magic, for example, has never been stated to be forbidden, and has, in fact, been used in multiple Mak’gora duels and thus seems to be permitted. Similarly, many Mak’gora duels have involved both fighters wearing body armor as well, but it can also be forbidden when explicitly required.
So until blizzard comes in and clarifies the rules seems like nothing else matters besides the 1v1 part and that one of them must win (so you can’t surrender apparently).
https:// wow.gamepedia. com/Mak%27gora