no thats YOUR selfish goal, im arguing to keep the game BETTER for everyone
then you are either using it wrong or it doesnt account for server tranfers try Ashbringer bud …
oh what a coincidence … considering RDF wasnt a thing for 3/4 of the Wrath … what a strange, totally unrelated, phenomenon that just 2 patches after RDF was introduced the subs count went down the drain …
well then the Classic devs work by the “feelscraft” because they agree that RDF is antithesis to healthy MMO comunity …
THE DEVELOPERS CONSIDER RDF BAD … so much that they crippled and banned addon that tried to do the functionality before …
so… the dozens of people in a guild are what … family members ? …
the POINT of grouping being complicated and inconvenient is to push you towards socializing by JOINING A GUILD …
goal already achieved.
that doesnt mean i never join PuGs though, i dont have the NEED for it, doesnt mean i cant enjoy opening the DF tool and going to a dungeon with randoms - and maybe find a nemw member or two for the guild …
well then its broken as i was raiding up to the BWL where insane prices of consumables literally forced me to stop as i wasnt going to spend 40 hours a week farming gold on a Fury/prot warrior just to be able to go raiding…
Naxx
Ulduar
ToC
ICC
RDF only came with ICC, pelse stop counting content drought as “content” …
RDF was a thing only in the last quarter of the content of the expansion, 3/4 were done without it and were playable just fine.
ill take a list of your fallacy book and ask you for “proof” … which we both know is impossible
this isnt simple cause-> effect most people understand, there are several layers before you end up with less guilds, less social interactions, more “i just play solo” players …
do you even know what global reach consequences means ?
sure it doesnt affect me personally, but it affects the OTHER people … this is MMO, its not a single player where you can be only concerned about yourself …
sure thats why im wasting a ton of my time arguing with you here … oh wait …
no your cherrypicking makes you look silly, everyone with a brain realizes that “timewise” is irrelevant when 6 months of that were just wasted waiting for next content …
But wouldn’t a content draught have the result of less subs, not more?
Also the drop in subscriber count didn’t happen until after the first patch of Cataclysm. So wouldn’t that imply that some aspects of Cataclysm or it’s patch was the reason for the drop in subscriber count, not the RDF?
How dumb is this argument? Not like one knows, apart from in retrospect, when the actuall “maximum subs for life” is. Who says it couldnt have climbed higher than that had Blizzard taken other decisions?
It could have gone down at any point during the rise, it didnt. It went down when it did, and the timing and reason behind it isnt spontaneous but most likely had to do something with what happened around that time.
If and how big LFD was as a factor contributing to that Ill leave unsaid (because its hard to say), but the effect of anything not rubbing the community the right way often can be seen a bit later than the implementation. Meaning any drop offs related directly or indirectly to LFD can be seen months later.
Same thing with a “Cata-effect”, the people not enjoying that probably took some time to go from that to quitting.
Frogs boling in hot water and all that ^^
I’ll add that I also think that people in many cases dont analyze why something becomes boring. They just quit, its not always obvious what change made it that way. Or perhaps one thinks s/he knows but something beneth that is the real reason. But one day they log on to a game they dont longer enjoy but cant put their finger on why.
I dont think that people in many cases understand how their future could be “ruined” when they have a short time solution infront of them now. I’d put LFD in to that category.
He also added that the only way is down after that point, which says nothing at all in the context of why it happened. Sounded like a spontaneous thing regardless of other factors, which isnt the case unless seen from retrospect.
I, and many others like me, never claimed RDF was the only reason. However many argue for that it was a big part, especially if one looks at second effects from it.
And they did, during Cataclysm. Not necessarily because of Cata itself but by the sums of all system that made Cata. RDF included, amongst other factors.
Tons of your ilk claim RDF is the only reason WoW sucks now. You’re going to have to distance yourself from them in a fashion that isn’t “but sub numbers could have been”. Cause that’s just fantasy feelscraft.
Feel free to quote me on this. Even in the quote you are using above I state that it isnt the only reason. How about not putting words into peoples mouth?
try Ashbringer bud …