It doesn’t really matter where the problem is, I also agree that ppl should play the class they feel comfortable and capable playing. Someone with high awareness and good short term memory could go for a class that requires those, lots of skills, much tracking to do etc…
But ppl just want and hence the birth of all tools giving everyone some option to play classes that he might not be so good at.
Look at DH class, why does this even exist?
So can enemies. You didn’t understand my point. You, yourself, as a person, play from your computer. There is no one else. The game is what it is. You only perform your actions, your teammates, from their computers, perform their actions, totally outside your sphere of influence. Your sphere of influence is limited to what you can do with your own character. A DR addon gives you the option to know better when to do your CC stuff, ON YOUR OWN, WITH YOUR ACTIONS ONLY, WITH NO LINK WHATSOEVER WITH WHAT A PLAYER IS DOING. You applying a CC or a DR is your own decision only. A teammate screwkng the DR doesn’t change this. He screws it up, that’s done, now the rest of what you do is up to you, with the information that you gathered that your friend screwed the DR.
On the other hand Losa tells you “hey, X is doing that, press this spell!”. So it’s not about what you do or could do, it’s about what the others do. This is why it’s criticized so much (by myself, too). An addon that shows DRs requires you to gather information (it’s given in a manner easier to get, granted) and then you choose how to use it, when to, you learn what to do. Losa tells you “do this because X used reflect and shut up” you don’t even need to think about what you do to do it semi well. It’s not helping awareness, it’s giving you answers. See it like a written test in school. Sometimes you have hints (dr tracker), sometimes you have a cheat sheet (losa) with the answers written on it and you can just copy without even thinking and you’ll have the score.
I already asked earlier in this thread (since I really don’t know) if GladiLosa is telling you nowadays to use this or that cooldown. Like “Use ICEBLOCK now!”. If they have brought it to this level, I would agree!!
If it is still an addon just naming “Pillar of Frost”, “Warbanner”, etc. there is basically not a difference between this and Omni Bar for instance, since the CDs are also instantly shown when used there.
GL is maybe a bit easier, since you don’t have to move your eyes (paying more attention to your ears) but then you would actually say that using your ears is botting while using your eyes is not.
About the rest, sure, if you want to be that boy you can focus only on DR tracker and say it depends only on your own stuff not including anyone (which isn’t even true imo) but how about interrupt tracker most casters use? They directly interact with the actions of your opponents and rely on them? Also Bot-Mode?! Or how about the easy example I told you about nameplate zoo and Counter Strike totem? Botting because someone is using the UI in his advantage?
Well, maybe it wasn’t obvious enough for you, but with tracking DRs you are usually not only watching your abilities but also depending on the actions of your teammates (Bash / Kidney for example, or Blind / Cyclone / Fear, or …).
And AGAIN: If GladiLosa is really telling you nowadays what CD to use, I will apologize and totally agree with you - if it is just naming CDs that were use, there is not a difference between seeing and hearing the information. So if this is botting, any addon showing CDs also is!
Does it? I’ve downloaded it by myself to see and its just calling others cd’s.
There is no way, such an addon can analyse if you need to use this cooldown, cause it is allway depending on how your hp looks, how the target can connect, if your healer will trinket and cast coccon or sac etc.
This would be a fkn hell lot of scripting work to analize all players coordinates x y and z as well as calculating all possibilities of actions your teammates can do or are actually doing aswell as analysing objects that are set as collider beeing an object you are out of line behind.
Outside of that i dont even think that Blizzards LUA does offer all this information for addons to work with.
From my knowledge it is just calling cooldowns with a voice. Or i missed some secret subscription of the addon you can purchase where someone was nolife scripting this sh*t but even then, see my post above 
Else:
This!
When you are going to apply a CC and check for DRs your action is totally isolated from your teammates actions at that time. Both will influence DRs of course but you don’t apply your DR as an automated response to a DR your partners apply.
And no, “you sometimes CC after them” isn’t counted here as you need no addon and no attention at all to poly off a stun on fact you don’t need to know about the stun dr to do your poly stuff. CC chains were performed even w/o addons (when banned or before they were introduced for instance). A voice saying “use reflect now” because someone casts clone and you haven’t noticed it, you just trust the voice, is bad for the game.
To answer this you can either download it or just look at these.
Emphasis on the last sentence. The guy checked his stream btw, as he said.
We also have :
What so you think happened in that scenario ? The addon detected a Cyclone, yelled REFLECT and the horrible player pressed it. In that case it might have cost him a game but in the hands of a player that actually knows what he’s doing, even if only a bit ? He wouldn’t make that kind of mistake by not knowing where the druid is standing (in range or no) and this addon would give him the extra “I compensate your lack of awareness to make you much better than you should because these small details separate good people with average awareness and actual great players”.
It would if you tried really hard, but such an elaborate and automated script would start to tend towards the third party program behavioral, which is against the ToS.
I agree it’s not good mode, right, it’s still not very very fair, or, AT LEAST, changes the intended nature of the game more so than other addons imho. Feel free to disagree, and we can leave it there.
Nope, the addon called Cyclone and the bad player pressed reflect without checking if the cyclone is even a thingy on him.
If the addon would have told him to reflect, it could have easily checked if the cyclone is in range (by checking for example if stormbolt is even in range to the druid). It’s nothing else if the warrior would have seen cyclone on the castbar and decided to press reflect without checking anything.
Blaming this one particular addon for it instead of blaming all addons gathering such informations is pretty onesided and dump imo!
Blablabla, still talking about the unimportant stuff while ignoring the rest. Shadenox as we know him: “An E doesn’t look like a F with another line! They are completely different!!!”
This is basically the same with omnibar icon popping up in your face befor you see the banner in the field? You also do not need to look at the Warrior to see that banner is casted cause of omnibar as of the sound addon.
Ive tested the addon myself, and i allready wrote it, idk why this is ignored:
Gladiatorlosa: Audio Information → Spellname
Omnibar: Visual Information → Spell Icon; Cooldown
If we go further here to what is more impactfull:
Gladiatorlosa: Audio information what the game usually gives you in terms of spellsound and a visual effect (Meta, Wings, Reck, Tyrant) Just without the Visual limit, cause you dont need to directly see the target.
Omnibar: Visual Information what the game usually gives you in terms of Enemy Buffs/ Your debuffs. Just without the Visual limit of no requirement to directly see the target.
(+) Having the information when the cooldown is ready again which isn’t an information the game gives you normally.
Or Gladius with the dr tracker:
Dr’s arent information the game gives you directly or are visible at any other point.
I mean which is more impactfull and helping? If id decide 2 of 3 of these Addons, i definetly wouldn’t choose the audio Addon. If id choose one of them id problably would use Omnibar.
I’m just asking why this Addon is actually so much more disgusting than the other 2. Because hell, those other 2 help fkn lot!
The Audio Addon doesnt break any rules, anf if we would change the rules so it would break them, omnibar and gladius would do them even more.
It doesn’t break rules and that’s normal ! My personal feeling remains that it’s too much easy help.
Visual warnings, you have a lot of and a huge part of awareness it to be able to take it all, and sort what’s important very fast. Adding one more doesn’t remove that aspect. A big yell in your headphones about important things kind of breaks that. But, opinions, opinions !
I’d say the difference between the visual reaction average of 250ms and the auditory reaction of 170ms makes a difference.
I agree addons are taking it too far for many activities and personally I’d prefer they were banned altogether for things like raids, dungeons and arenas. At the same time however, default Blizzard UI is downward terrible not just for aforementioned content, but “everyday” activities as well.
From technical standpoint it’s difficult to ban addons that “tell you things” as options are fairly limited and intrusive:
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Overhaul of how game handles plugins, so that you seal the environment and allow only in-built (predefined) building blocks for any future enhancements. This way you can control what information and how it is processed. Very intrusive, with significant workload required.
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You could possibly prevent addons from using audio elements / output directly from the game level, but then it just would make it a tiny bit more complex to write an extension that would communicate with said addons to achieve same result. All in all, easy to implement, but not very effective.
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Hide certain abilities / effects from addons. This means you will get a sound or a visual in game, but there will be no information in the layer at which addons work to see it. Possibly middle ground, but still requiring significant amount of coding and future maintance
At the end of the day, while frustrating in many cases, and definitely having negative impact at the game due to how much can be scripted, which in turn causes developers to code encounters which are nigh impossible to handle without addons, it is what we’re stuck with and it cannot be changed without significant invetments.
Well im not saying that you are wrong, or that im right, it a pretty interesting point to talk about and to discuss, thats why im even in here.
The addon does not tell you what abilities to press, simply says what abilities other players are using, the following never happens nor is the function of the addon:
Druid casts Cyclone
Addon says - Cyclone
And…thats it. Doesnt tell if its in range or what abilities YOU should use.
It messes up your awereness in pvp, you dont improve as a player for using it, in fact ylu becone worse. And like was mentioned before you can detect and exploit if someone uses it
Get the facts straight please. Thank you
Can I say that we used to have a much more broken addon called “SpellAlerter” ?
Which even called you fat inmid of your screen on which target the poly (or w/e) i casted ? This one got kind of “Banned” by blizzard for changing their API. That is gamebreaking. Might be just me but a simple announcement addon doesn’t seem too much of a big deal for me 
I think this addon can be useful for new players and expirienced players dont need it. If you dont like some addon , dont use it.
Btw in classic most addons are disabled.
It is main idea t be aware. Does not mean it is only meant for your main target ,but also for the dps who is trying to kill your healer or mate. Not everyone use communications and many are not good at it. But hearing and knowing is a real good help and makes you more engaged. You can disable whatever sound you want tho.
While i agree that these addons are bad for the game and encourage lazy play if they were to take a hard stance on this then it would also be expected that all addons similar in fashion such as dbm, weakauras, tmw, bigdebuffs anything that provides a visual or sound effect when a ability is used would need to also be purged
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