🍸 [DISBANDED] The Family and Companies: Closed for Business! - Criminal Guild

[Ámani-argent-dawn]

Where’s the lore source on that? Myself, like many others in the largest troll community on the server all accept that Farraki are NOT part of the Horde because there’s no given lore source on it. Blizzard themselves have confirmed there’s no lore on Farraki joining the Horde and that the customisations that were given are purely cosmetic.

[Karienn-argent-dawn (Karienn)]

They have every right to, I just wish when people post about a topic that on the surface looks like a basic post, they then wouldn’t bring a load of negative stuff in, add PCU somewhere in the sentence and then light the blue touch paper and stand back to watch the fireworks!

[Narmë-argent-dawn (Narmë)]

@Adhema-argent-dawn

What are your thoughts on the more exotic eye colours now available to Velves (and belves too? I’ll be honest, I haven’t checked their choice of eye colours since the revamp.)

I wish we had gotten even more Voidy looking colors for them, but I went straight to give purple to my own voidies I admit. The blue is like the normal skintones to give an option for high elf roleplayers (in theory they could have green too but I can’t remember a lore high elf dabbling in fel at the moment. It was not the reason for their exil, but it’s still more the blood elf shtick.)

@Obahar-argent-dawn

Does Thalassophobia mean “fear of large bodies of water” or “fear of pointed ears” on Azeroth?

Still for the water as we are reading dialogs translated into english! … Or I guess it could mean “fear of home”.

[Yokaiizu-argent-dawn]

Lore-wise, Farraki are some of the most brutal tribes out there, it would be a crime not to embrace antagonism when rping one …

[Adhema-argent-dawn]

On the topic of Farraki and antagonistic races, I’m curious to know what people’s thoughts are on roleplaying them as part of mercenary groups in/around Horde territory. Now, I can’t think of an example where the Horde have hired non-Horde races in a mercenary capacity outside of the Vashj’ir introductory quests, but I assume that there’s some basis for that vs Farraki etc actually being inside the Horde.

[Koiffen-argent-dawn (Koiffen)]

The pirates in Tiragarde Sound count, I reckon.

It seems fine to me so long as people don’t presume that means they’d be welcomed by the (majority of the) Horde.

[Adhema-argent-dawn]

Tiragarde was really boring for me so I didn’t do all the quests there, can you extrapolate on that a bit?

[Perroy-argent-dawn (Perroy)]

@Barbour-argent-dawn

I’ve been wanting for the longest time to sit down in Discord and talk to Perroy, and tell him how important I think it would be for his - and his guild’s - reputation if they worked on their diplomacy a little. With a few tweaks, most of the haters wouldn’t be able to speak up and project their envy/feeling of exclusion/misconceptions about the PCU, because everyone would have a hard time admitting the guild doesn’t at least try to save face.

You’re more than welcome to do that and I think it would be an interesting talk but I think you seriously underestimate how diplomatic we are as it is

For a familiar example - the central argument in this thread is about guild infiltration, right? About ten years ago when something like that came out there was at least 200 threads dragging Hrothgarr and that stuff is referenced to this day

When it happened to us we just removed the involved people and said nothing on it - which IMO is very restrained because I would have found it pretty funny to leave a very scathing yelp review at the time and it would have been 100% justified. We posted here only when somebody tried to repackage their failure as a community leader - focusing more on OOC politics and crazy schemes than roleplay - as the fault of a community that had never really had much contact with them

@Barbour-argent-dawn

Because if you’re doing the right thing, eventually, good things will happen, and no one will be able to doubt you.

If the PCU gave back even 10% of what we get, people would be weeping in the streets and I have found that there are many people that won’t meet in the middle no matter how gently you talk to them

@Barbour-argent-dawn

But then I realise, I’m being pretentious. The PCU is enormous and the average role-player’s what, a fifteen, sixteen-year-old?

Maybe half a decade ago bro …

@Hullbreach-argent-dawn

As you can surely understand, I’m a wee bit worn out after the conversation thus far

I’m sure you will angrily bring it up in trade chat as soon as you get your breath back

@Kellduril-draenor

Sand trolls are a customisation option for the playable Troll race, there’s no forcing here. It sounds like you’re making up your own headcanon. Clearly they’re allowed in the Horde now, if they’re an option for HORDE characters.

Added in the Shadowlands prepatch

Thanks for accidentally agreeing my absolute verified chicken legend

@Adhema-argent-dawn

Personally I don’t like the PCU because I used to be in the Rotgarde and the cult mentality is pretty whack

This is cap based purely on me not being very present in the Rotgarde at all. Skabb is the head officer & effectively the GM and has been for many many months

@Adhema-argent-dawn

Also best of luck in your future irl endeavours, Chiel and Family. It’s a shame to see another bastion of Horde RP disappear.

I’m glad they got a chance to see what an active and well-run guild’s roster looked like before they quit

@Adhema-argent-dawn

While I can’t speak for what things are currently like, the ye olde days make me doubt if this is entirely true. I’d be doing the regulars a disservice if I said that they may or may not be involved with incredulous behaviour. I think this history that stems from good old Skype drama and forum bombardments is why people are reluctant to see the PCU as just that; a group of friends that support each other.

So your judgement in 2021 comes from a distinctly pre-PCU era because what was then for most part a group of teenagers was pressed the dislike button on your thread

That is just mainly funny and if you’re spending many of your hours contemplating forum arguments from 5-10 years ago then I think that is maybe a little bit unreal

[Narmë-argent-dawn (Narmë)]

The Horde recruited human pirates against Kul tiras.

[Starshade-argent-dawn]

@Yokaiizu-argent-dawn

But if you REALLY want to rp a Sandfury troll…I welcome you to Dazar’alor

It is also in-game canon that if you wander into Dazar’alor and mow down Sandfury and other ‘lesser tribes’ that the Zandalari don’t bat an eye.

During Rastakhan’s funeral you can take down mobs that Blizzard specifically made neutral and killable. Nobody cares about dead sand trolls.

[Yokaiizu-argent-dawn]

The concept of Farraki mercenary is alright. Perhaps they were exiled from their tribe, perhaps they don’t give a damn about anything else but coin; all depends on backstory.

But then again, I doubt they would be welcome in Orgrimmar itself. A lot of mercenary guilds however seem to be based outside the city so I guess that’s all cool.

[Koiffen-argent-dawn (Koiffen)]

Bunch of pirates want to overthrow their captain to help the Horde and get independence in turn. Horde helps, get to use their harbor as a landing site for forces in Tiragarde. TL:DR; Mutual benefit and allies

[Zokaara-argent-dawn]

@Yokaiizu-argent-dawn

Lore-wise, Farraki are some of the most brutal tribes out there, it would be a crime not to embrace antagonism when rping one …

Bring on de revolution. Eat all de richmons.

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Adhema-argent-dawn

On the topic of Farraki and antagonistic races, I’m curious to know what people’s thoughts are on roleplaying them as part of mercenary groups in/around Horde territory.

seems fine to me so long as these mercenaries aren’t just excuses to do social in a capital city of the Horde. If I hire bloodthirsty unstable trolls as mercs you can be sure i won’t invite them home.

[Shioh-argent-dawn (Shioh)]

damn, I was gonna sell alcohol to The FamiIy

[Aerilen-argent-dawn (Aerilen)]

@Perroy-argent-dawn

If the PCU gave back even 10% of what we get,

I imagine Barbour would be 100% diplomatic after a corpse is left in Orgrimmar called “Barbours -parent-” for over a month.

[Barbour-argent-dawn]

@Perroy-argent-dawn

You’re more than welcome to do that and I think it would be an interesting talk but I think you seriously underestimate how diplomatic we are as it is

I think you’re absolutely right. I’m a naive idealist at heart, and that’s my weakness. Luckily, I know it. But it still makes me prone to making wanky statements.

@Perroy-argent-dawn

Maybe half a decade ago bro …

… Speaking of. Yeah, I missed the mark on that one.

[Gruggosh-argent-dawn]

On the topic of the Farakki - the player character Troll is meant to be Darkspear. If it was a proper Farakki skin, it’d have black tusks. Either way, having Farakki around simply because of the Zandalari Empire, aka: allies, seems reasonable enough, though they’ve definitely not sworn the Blood Oath of the Horde (yet).

[Perroy-argent-dawn (Perroy)]

@Barbour-argent-dawn

I think you’re absolutely right. I’m a naive idealist at heart, and that’s my weakness. Luckily, I know it. But it still makes me prone to making wanky statements.

I don’t blame you because you are fundamentally right but the sad truth is that if you’re talking to someone who has (for example) fermented a 10 year old forum argument into the core aspect of their online persona, you will not be able to reach any understanding with them. I think you’re about to get an example of that in this thread

[Kellduril-draenor]

@Ámani-argent-dawn

Blizzard themselves have confirmed there’s no lore on Farraki joining the Horde and that the customisations that were given are purely cosmetic.

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