It’s bassed instead + also not hunches
You don’t need a fact-checked treatise to deduce really basic motivations when they’re all but spelt out
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I don’t know, it’s blurting out statements based on weird hunches that leads to stuff like “sylvanas loyalists are all played by alt-right extremists.”
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I’m not sure how much I can compare the old days to the new; I can only really measure it by how my own perspective has changed.
Not that I think you’re wrong. The ‘old days’ of the server, at least in my time here, definitely had a lot of toxicity. The forums is a good example, given how much it seems to have toned down in the last few years.
I’m not saying that loss of control over one’s character is a bad thing in itself and I’m not saying players should need to control the outcome of every RP situation - I think it’s important to RP’ing 3-dimensional characters that they face adversity, that they struggle, and that sometimes they lose. I also think it can be a lot of fun to RP out defeats, and lead to some really interesting development for a character.
I’m just making an observation - when you lose to a player character, when you give them power over your character, you’re surrendering control to them - and many players will and have abused that, such as the last time I allowed my character to be dragged off by a corrupt guard, only for him to then try to coerce her into something very not PEGI 13 in order for her to avoid jail. The RP was terminated, my time was wasted, and when you’ve been burned once, it’s hard not to be extremely sceptical of people’s motives and intentions.
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This existed in Classic and basicly every game that ever had roleplay going on. And it’s not even the issue. Don’t rationalize the fact that campaigns are more private by thinking people don’t want their characters to be hurt/injured by other roleplayers.
The issues are on a different level.
It’s completly different views on roleplay that divide players.
Group A thinks it’s alright to do a bubbled DM’ed event in Orgrimmar and bringing a Farraki Mercenary.
Group B is like “Waaaahhhh how dare they” then go there and (considering they want to be left alone) CRASH their event then cause Drama ooc, argue, blame, call people out etc.
Group A is like: “Ok let’s better avoid places where these toxic people are.”
Example 2:
Group A thinks that their events/rp is open to everyone that if the people who want to come along poke in /w and announce themself.
Group B thinks that everyone in the open world -HAS- to be approachable and has to deal with everything they bring to this world.
Result: Drama, stress and people blaming each other for no reason.
It just doesn’t work out for certain groups to interact with each other. It just doesn’t.
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I think this is slowly becoming directionless radical centrism
We get it, you’re super reasonable
[would begin to applaud]
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“This isn’t an Armistice”
-Game Director
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I’m getting flashbacks to when I roleplayed on a now dead website that had custom avatars and all. Some people did really neat stuff and had cool avatars made in flash and such. Full animations and what not, a lot of work went into these.
Then we had people who just used it as a dating site, and had avatars that were just static images usually from super models and what not. Or were created in some god awful teen pixel art avatar making software (I never found out what it was called but they all looked identical but with different clothes and hair styles, obviously generated in some form). These also did not move at all and were just static images sliding back and forth as they moved around.
We collectively called these people “Statics” and hated their unanimated guts. As well as their horrible grammar and emoticon speak. And their pretty disgusting attempts to cyber sex right in the middle of public lobbies. Fortunately the horribly made avatars made them stick out and were easily mass reported on the spot (There was an option for ‘stolen images’ regarding avatars).
I digress, just all the second life RPer talk reminded me of that.
Also straight up said it was a “genocide” referring to Darnassus. I’m surprised he even said that tbh. Thought they’d avoid that topic as much as possible.
My direction is pretty clear, maybe it’s not a good idea to make statements that are just founded on your feelings, no matter how confident you feel about your feelings.
at last, my genius has been recognised
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Love Ion, such a cool guy. First he makes a hard stance on factions being there forever and now he says it’s cool to still fight eachother? What a guy.
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Person A: people shouldn’t make sweeping generalisations about a person’s character and intentions based on personal bias, E,G, Sylvanas’ loyalists are all alt-right extremists
Person B: lol what are you a radical centrist
Is this 5-d satire?
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I am note quite sure what this IC/OOC talk is about.
This is roleplay. We literally do low level acting. Of course some people get invested and emotional when they play a role. They get absorbed in it while they play it. That can be bad but also good.
I dont see where the point is of criticising people that RP emotionally. People RP’ing a certain way is not the issue the Horde has on this realm.
It’s how it’s dealt with.
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He said there’s still tensions, I suspect we’ll go back to a sort of Vanilla-style cold war. Where neither side as a whole wants to fight on a large scale, but you might see skirmishes or covert missions against one another.
In other words, making it the player choice as to whether or not to pursue the Red v Blue side of things. That’s fine by me. I’m not huge on the war side of it myself, every time they put the war in the spotlight you start seeing all the holes, BfA being a prime example, ICC Gunship fight also comes to mind.
But I know a lot of people still enjoy it, and frankly even I think it’s unrealistic for both sides to hold hands and dance through meadows after what just happened.
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The best kind. Thank you Ion. 
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yeah but people getting so overly invested in their characters that every loss is a hit on their personal pride and therefore unacceptable is the issue the Horde has on this realm.
It’s what leads to people comparing others to a group of genocidal maniacs from the 1940s.
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I am pretty sure this is because of the recent political climate and some groups throwing around ironic jokes and iconography that triggers people.
Not because their char lost a fight IC.
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I think there’s also stuff like this which errs on your side too. Like what the actual hell?
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/42edddff3745f11fdbab36b608721b70-png.jpg
ok but what do you think inspired people to start insulting the other group?
hint: it’s
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Don’t victimize people that put themself in this position by misbehaving badly over YEARS. It’s not recent things, it’s long term results of being unpleasent do deal with when it comes to organizing larger scale events or casual co-op roleplay.
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Honestly, Perroy puts up with the sort of stuff that’d have sent me, and many others let’s be real, running.
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