bump, please address this its so tiresome, its not PvP its just plain harassment.
Harassment is pvp in WoW. PvP in the open world is rarely about fairness, itâs about establishing dominance in an area for a certain time.
WoW is not a competitive pvp game, even tough some players participate in a Duel Tournament. This competition was created by some players for their own entertainment and is not really a feature of this game.
Harassing other players in world pvp is basically the main reason i enjoy this game. I run around and farm other players and mess with them. Every time itâs possible i try to not do the last hit so the enemy player dies from pve so they have to pay more to fix their gear.
I was following another player for 10mins until he finally dismounted to pick up some herbs and then i just stunned that player and looted the herb myself.
Thatâs how i have fun with this game - Making other players mad so that they want to kill me.
The best part about being done with the pvp rank grinding is not only the rewarded items, itâs the fact that i can farm dishonorable kills without getting a real penalty.
TBH iâve completely changed my stance on this issue. Seeing how far some people now go with buffs I have to admit, they are as sad as the people who spend their time dispelling them, so its an even playing field.
I still believe some of the guys who dispel buffs are sad because its a huge time commitment for them (14 hours spent doing just this is actually worrying). Equally though, I saw a guy in a raid with so many buffs that he must have spent ages coordinating them. Weâre talking setting alarms for timings on Rend & Ony/Nef, getting Songflower buff, buying DMT buffs, organising to be on the isle when someone does the Zandalar buff, making sure you buy all the pots/elixirs that can work in conjuction and logging off in between pulls which take too long etcâŚ
Thats just as much of a sad time commitment as spending hours dying & respawning to dispel buffs.
So yeah, my opinion on this has changed. Its World of Warcraft, not World of Buffcraft.
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I do that. The night before raid, I make sure Iâm stocked up on potions, then I visit Blasted Lands for my ROIDS, head over to Yojamba to buy my Zanza potion, then I run through DMT with my friend. After weâve got our DM buffs, we stock up on the stam beers from DIre Maul, Hearthstone and take a portal to Org, then get our songflowers.
We then log off for the night. The next day, we log in intime for Ony and WCB (usually server wide organised so they pop up before most guilds raid, instead of us waking up extra early for them) and then we head over to Booty Bay for a Spirit of Zanadalar buff. It takes around 30 minutes in total.
Thatâs less than a dungeon run. I spend far less time getting my buffs than some people spend dispelling. On some servers, people are dispelling ALL day.
You also have to weigh up the reasons for why people do things. I (and my guildies) get our buffs so that we can quickly clear BWL, so we can do BWL/MC/Ony and ZG in a single night. People dispell because they want to grief, nothing more.
Of the two of those, only one is sad. And it isnât spending 30 minutes to save me an extra 3 hours later in the week.
Youâre simplifying that way too much so lets break it down: -
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You farm the materials necessary to make pots/elixirs or you purchase all these from the AH with gold you have spent time farming. The time commitment to this step can vary greatly dependent on class.
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You head over to blasted lands to collect the 3 Snickerfang Jowls, 2 Blasted Boar Lungs and 1 Scorpok Pincer needed for ROIDS.
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You do an entire DMT run or you buy the buffs for 5g.
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You then have to go to Felwood and get your Songflower (if you are on a PvP server youâd have to do this early or the chance of getting your DMT buffs and the Songflower buff dispelled is high).
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You log off to save buffs but first you ensure that you know the time for the Ony & WCB buffs and that alarms are set so you can log in for these the next day. (I donât know what server you are on but most busy servers will not organize this server wide as it is just impossible). This is very rarely ever just before raid on most servers so you have to time it to log in and then log back out to save buffs.
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You then log back in after Ony & WCB buffs have been saved and fly over to Booty Bay for a Zandalar buff, again on most normal servers you will either have to hope someone is using it (random chance) or have someone you know with the heart to use it in time. (Many may also want to go to the isle to buy a pot).
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You then log off to save buffs and wait for raid time so you can be summoned as you risk being dispelled by enemy faction priests if you donât.
Now considering that you are literally doing a dungeon run in one part of this, it is not less time than a dungeon run and taking into account some of the time commitments to gathering materials/flying it is not just 30 mins. You also talk about server wide organisation to make sure major world buffs are only popped just before raids, which in itself is excessive.
I understand your point on the reasons why people do things. However stating that you get all those buffs to clear every raid in a single night to justify it not being sad is a little ridiculous.
I would still maintain that of the two both are sad. Perhaps not equally so but they are both still sad.
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You realise that grinding is the entire point of Classic, right? Youâre either grinding BGs for ranks, dungeons for gear, raids for gear, mobs/quests for levels or mobs/quests for reputation.
If you think grinding is a burden, youâre playing the wrong game.
Theyâre tradeable and dirt cheap, a ROID costs me a total of 5g. I buy the mats before heading out.
My friend does the DMT, he grinds it for gold.
I do it at around 3-8am, depending on what time I want to go to bed. Luckily for me, Iâm a nightowl.
You completely ignored the part where I said those buffs go down in-time for raid. Buffs go down at 5:30 and 5:45, raid starts at 6.
Or you get summoned. My guildies have several summoning alts around the world. Sound sad to you? Imagine working as a team and co-ordinating yourselves in an MMORPG.
The time it takes to get those buffs is less time than it would take for us to set up another raid night. I spend around 100g a week getting all of my potions and items required for buffs. Thatâs one extra hour of grinding.
Seriously, the time it takes is LESS than the time it would take to have 2 raid days.
Itâs cute that you think that. Fortunately, your opinion isnât worth a great deal. Iâd rather play and make the most of my play time, Iâd rather have goals to work towards than mindlessly throw my face at content and spend several hours clearing 6 bosses.
Also, I play a warrior. The more buffs I have, the more damage I deal. The more damage I deal, the more rage I get. Playing warrior becomes much more fun when you actually start getting a lot of rage.
Iâd much rather do all of that than pay to play a game where I just sit AFK in Orgrimmar. If thatâs what I wanted, Iâd play retail.
Are there tools within the framework of the game to allow you to circumvent this? Can you get summoned by some of your friends on lvl 20 summoning warlocks directly to where you want to go? Can you opt not to hs to kargath? Can you scout the area you want to go on a lvl 1 character in ghost form? Can you fill your buff bar with 20 unecessary buffs as protection against dispellers?
If the answer is yes, my question is: Why are you losing your buffs?
And if you are: Why are you posting about it here, when there are great sollutions within the framework of the game to this problem.
Lovingly: Someone who spends a stupid amount of time dispelling lazy people in Kargath - HS together as a group or summon to BRM after youâve been dispelled 4 times in 1 day in KargathâŚ
Wow I touched a raw nerve with you.
Youâll find the entire point of Classic (and gaming in general) is to have fun. It is a recreational activity, whether you want to believe it is or not. Yes grinding is an integral part of being able to advance in Classic but tell me what is the difference in a time commitment to grinding materials and a time commitment to killing players for trolling/fun (to some people)?
So you buy the mats for ROIDS, where do you get the gold for those mats?
So you donât buy the DMT buffs, but someone still had to clear that entrance and you still have to fly & run there and then through the instance to get them.
Youâre really not helping your case against appearing sad by admitting you are up between 3am - 8am to get Songflower to avoid being dispelled.
I didnât ignore the part about you saying that buffs go down in time for raids. Read my reply again and youâll see that I said that this is not a usual thing on busy servers. For instance on Shazzrah, Ony/Nef/Rend are popped immediately on CD. If you are not on when their timers go, then you get no buff, this is more common that server wide co-ordination.
Your guild is so obsessed with traveling fast that they have set up summoning alts around the world? Again you are not helping your case about not appearing sad. Also when replying to your first response how on earth could anyone know that your guild goes to these lengths?
Its extremely ironic that you say youâd much rather do all that (clear all raids in 1 day and spend 1 hour farming buffs/mats) than to sit AFK in Orgrimmar when thats literally all you have left to do when youâve completed everything classic has to offer in 1day and 1hourâŚ
Lastly, iâm glad you think what I think is cute, thats flattering and just to inform you, your opinion is worth exactly the same mine. In fact mine is worth more right now cause it got you completely worked up. In general your responses support what iâve said 
I didnât even know what world buffs are, before reading threads like this.
Gank those that annoy you.
Cute. No.
And you think you can play Classic without grinding?
The commitment to grinding reduces the amount of time one must spend elsewhere, to grind is to gain. You gain absolutely nothing from dispelling. (Killing is another matter, I applaud the people that go out ganking to remove world buffs instead of suicide dispelling)
5gold? From grinding.
5 minute flight from TB to Feralas. And my friend does DMT for fun, because he enjoys doing solo content for gold rather than grinding in the open world.
I get my flower between 3-8am, Iâm up until 9am every day because that is my sleeping pattern. I work nights, Iâd rather wake up and go to work at the beginning of my day rather than the end of it.
You know you can decide when those timers are, right?
And again, I donât care about what your opinion is and neither does anybody else. We set up summoning alts to make life easier and to save time.
Itâs sad that you think Classic only has raids. We clear the content in a day so that people can spend the rest of their week doing something else; which was great for the people ranking up.
Iâm not worked up. Read my post history, I remain the same now as I usually am. Talking to arrogant people like you is what I do near every day.
Bottom line, it doesnât take me long to get my world buffs. All that grinding you keep whining about? Thatâs called âactually playing the gameâ. Gold is a non-issue and shouldnât be accounted for when considering world buffs. (consumables also arenât world buffs).
If youâre happy joining raids and being a 400DPS waste of a raid spot, then power to you. No doubt you also cry when your guildâs loot council says buffed up Billy is a better raider than you and is more deserving of loot?
so yeah, i havenât made an input here for a week or so⌠but i think i figured out why so many people seem to be on a quest to dispel the opposite factionâs buffs all day every dayâŚ
now this might be a bit of a crazy nutcase conspiracy theory, but try to stick with me.
say, what do dispellers and gold farmers have in common?
well one common thing they have in common is that they do the most mundane and unrewarding things in game.
now stick with me here, because this is where the galaxy brain theory unravels.
Iâm sure everyone here has seen a spike in DMT buff sellers lately, correct?
well think about it⌠its like the easiest way to make tons of gold⌠now put yourself in the shoes of a hunter that solo clears DMT and sells buffs⌠how does he increase his income even more?
he gets the opposite faction to dispel his customers so that theyâll come back twice or thrice for their precious buffs
on my server, the buffs are sold at 8g per individual, and thereâs usually up to 10 people or more willing to buy them at any given time, that ez 80 gold right there⌠now imagine that they are colluding with the opposite faction and those people manage to dispel all those 10 people once or twice⌠that means they go from 80 gold to 160 gold to 240 gold, and all it takes is a 10-20 minute dungeon run and a few worldchat spams.
what do you think? did i crack the code? or am i actually insane.
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Itâs an interesting theory, but the reason people dispell others is much more simply: They just enjoy griefing. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Wait, there are people paying for DM:T buff? Really?
We just have a few guildies run it before raid so we have it cleared shortly before Ony head time.
but the level of dedication that they put in just to âgriefâ people⌠it canât be⌠iâm convinced there is more to it.
No, it really is that simple. Some people just love griefing.
Buff dispelling is really one of the few forms of griefing left, since Blizzard nerfed the aggro on infernal summons and made it so you canât MC people on boats.
Whenever I play retail, the only thing I do is grief. So I understand where theyâre coming from.
A: you can still MC people on boats, it happened to me less than 2 days ago.
B: Infernals being unleashed on lowbies should be restored.
C: nobody cares about retail, donât even bring that up here, heathen⌠in fact switch your character to your classic character if you want anyone to take you seriously⌠oh wait, you are one of those âi live to griefâ-losers⌠so i guess never mind⌠if i didnât know better (which i donât) iâd say you are the exact kind of person i am talking about.
Thatâs good to know.
Yes.
I donât care whether you take me seriously or not. In the words of Tywin Lannister: âThe lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheepâ.
Which people? The griefers (who you seem to be in favour of, given your desire for aggro infernals), or the people that you think are dispelling to sell more DMT buffs?
I think at this point you should replace that little crown of destruction of yours. Perhaps a different hat would be better suited; one made of tinfoil.
I donât care whether you take me seriously or not. In the words of Tywin Lannister: âThe lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheepâ.
you donât even play the game, and drenai are the b*****es of the orc race, inferior and extinct so donât give me that pompous crap as if you are above me,.
Which people? The griefers (who you seem to be in favour of, given your desire for aggro infernals), or the people that you think are dispelling to sell more DMT buffs?
i love how you make a distinction between these as if they arenât both griefers 
you say tinfoil, i say logical. if you put yourself into the mind of a gold seller, this theory makes perfect sense.
I wouldnât post in this board if I didnât play.
Cute. Isnât the Orcish lore that you idiots all for tricked by an Eredar, then recked your home planet and enslaved yourselves?
So youâre in favour of griefing, but also you hate griefers? Some mighty fine logic you got there.
Why on earth would gold sellers run DMT and interact with people on servers when they can just set up gold farming bots?
And most people dispell just before raids start, which means that dispelled target wouldnât even have time to pay for more buffs anyway.
I wouldnât post in this board if I didnât play.
post on your classic character then⌠not an unreasonable request.
Cute. Isnât the Orcish lore that you idiots all for tricked by an Eredar, then recked your home planet and enslaved yourselves?
oh you mean that guy who got destroyed by the subjects he tried to enslave? aye, thatâd be correct. Eredar, lol more like Eretards.
So youâre in favour of griefing, but also you hate griefers? Some mighty fine logic you got there.
see this is just you assuming stuff⌠i never once said i had a problem with what is going on, i merely came up with a theory as to WHY people would go out of their way to put in this amount of effort to dispel people day in and day out⌠for all i care they can do whatever they like, iâll still get by.
Why on earth would gold sellers run DMT and interact with people on servers when they can just set up gold farming bots?
because man, thatâs more money, and their bots frequently gets the banhammer.
and besides, what are they gonna do if bots could do what they do? its almost like theyâd be fired from their slave job if that was the case⌠since you know⌠automation and no need for humans and that stuff.
And most people dispell just before raids start, which means that dispelled target wouldnât even have time to pay for more buffs anyway.
Lol you underestimate people willingness and effort for quick raids severely then.
just another thing that confirms that you donât actually play classic and are just here to troll.