Do addons ruin what wow is?

Every aspect of life is double-edged sword.

Okay, I’m sure this is nothing that’s been said on the forums before. Just for the sake of it I’ll answer as if you specifically mean me.

Done this many times, its fun but those people aren’t always around when you want to do group content so that’s where the possibility of pugging comes in.

I’m happy to do this, I actually made a new Battlenet friend the other day from one dungeon I was a pug in and completed my key for the weekly on another character the next day with their partner and a couple of pugged people.

I do perfectly fine and have never had my performance questioned on any class that I’ve played. The first time I ever tanked was a key on one of the worst week for affixes (in season 2) and I managed to see it through in time, I didn’t like tanking (and don’t tank now) but its helped me see where I can aid tanks in future runs to make their lives easier.

As you can see, those solutions are already at play, and most of the player base are regularly using these solutions despite the complaints or discussions on grouping or addons that can affect grouping.

Then where is a problem? I do useing every addon I see fit to get people who are at same lvl as I´m but sadly there is boosting so it not works every time and for thas we have Raider IO. This whole topic about addons destroying wow is irelevant. There is flow in PvE which works for many years I don´t see any valid reason why change it.

I pugged up to max +16’s (also timed some) in s2 and the toxicity in the groups was very rare :thinking:

When I, thanks to forums here (no, really due topic here) started my survival experiment. In one of the M+ runs we had a highest I’ve ever seen RIO scored player, PvE progression probably fastest seen on EU alliance … and he was so encouraging to me all run. Due low gear I did probably less dps than his pet while afk mode. But something in his posture and behaviour was encouraging. he got haste items and traded them all to me without asking. So he knew what i sought. And somehow his encouragement went long way.

I have had some nags from people I know “Omg why melee lol” and one of the worst M+ runs I had was when my guildie bashed me for my spec.

But I have put effort on my survival. getting purple ranks in raids, having decent RIO score. And telling this story to say - does not matter if someone nay-says - play spec you enjoy. Some will bash you for it, and others admire your stubbornness. just whatever you do, do it well … or best of your skill.

I have been bullied for being survival hunter, but same time I have got a lot of encouragement. And here I am speaking for ‘player freedom of fun’. Be vulpera survival if you love it and don’t let anyone ever put you down for being vulpera or survival !

More so survival has very good aoe or single target - only issue is that they need to spec/azerite focus on it. But they are not worse than other hunter specs and in PvP even perhaps better!

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I don’t know how good SH is at higher levels but my low level Hunter effing deletes everything in group-content with it. Always topping the charts with the hunter, to my own surprise.

Their - what i call ‘isis spec’ (the bomber) is very strong aoe. Slightly RNG, but if well executed it will keep up with demon hunters and other notorious AoE specs, meaning in M+ they are really shining. I guess peoples problem with survival is that it is melee and people judge your decision to choose melee over ranged. But survival is very mobile, and is good on target swaps (even when Pet AI at times is a bit snail) and they do have really-really good survival.

Sure I have not done high keys (but done 15s, which is still high enough) and they seem to have tool for almost any ‘oh darn’ moment and their ability at times to ‘melee from 40y range’ is just hilarious.

if I’d not be raid tank main. I would probably main survival hunter in raids and would swap ranged only on fights like court and so on that demand ranged due fight mechanics.

Read the whole thread maybe, its clear there is a conflict when it comes to certain addons.

I still don´t see any conflict. Maybe for someone I´m stupid but I just don´t see it.

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My dear forum friend. I used it as a reference incase you wanted proof.

I like to see how egar you are to try and belittle me though. Keep going, speaks loudly of your being.

So this is what differing opinion is seen “belittling”. Speakjs even louder about you - instead addressing the difference in take, you start acting as if I attacked you. Sorry, but it may work in reddit, but does not fly here.

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I don’t think it is worth talking to him, clearly trolling at this point.

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I wouldn’t go far as attacked but you do have strong opinionated stereotypes on certain types of people it seems.

Do I ? I am strong opinionated, yes, but I am not on forums to speak my gospel. If you believe my post is there to ‘be little’ then a. you either misread my post or b. i did poor job at wording.

I do however believe that there was in-game event that caused you to make the OP. And I do ponder what was the actual event that made you believe that ‘add-ons make things more toxic’.

Well, I guess this is where we agree to disagree because you think that there are more abusers than honest people and I think that most people are fair but here are some things people can do:

  1. Stop blaming the tool.
  2. Stop blaming others.
  3. Stop thinking you’re special.
  4. Make your own group.
  5. Learn and get better.
  6. Consider to play a tank/healer due to short supply.
  7. Climb the ladder or grind the score like everyone else.

Tank and healer are few but are also the roles getting bashed the most.

Would you really recommend that to people crying about recount/raider io? I wouldn’t.

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Probably not but it’s an option nonetheless. :yum:

As healer if you know what your spells do which is basic you have chance to get into grp even if you have a low itlvl. As tank no way :slight_smile: As dps you have to be good geared or atlast decent and have dps to do so.

The higher the keys the less toxic people are :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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You really have no clue about mythic if you say this, addons can’t help but won’t do the job for you. Heroic is absolutely boring, plain and meaningless after you run certain numbers of mythic+.

They enhance your gameplay because they allow you to better acomodate the information you need to process and the controls to deliver proper responses. You still have to work, addons need configuring and learning because they fail, they break, you find new ways to improve or change them, etc.
The addon does not play for you and does not make you more efficient unless you know what to do.
And I insist, the process or arranging your own UI is a very long way, it’s not an easy road if you want something really useful to yourself.

OP, in my opinion, you are terribly wrong from the very title <>. To me this is one os blizzard’s greatest idea on game design, the community is going to be much better than the creators at constantly developing and maintaning enhancements for the UI.
I’ve been playing this game for so many years for it’s addons+macro possibilities, they allow me to customize interaction with the game with such great freedom. If only I could know how many hours of my “/played” belong to macro writing, UI resetting, Weak Auras writing…

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