So what im seeing is pala gets 1 nerf and 6 buffs in the span of 1 month while all the other classes get nerfs only!? What is this season of the paladin!? Overcompensating them because in era they were a buff bot or what!? If you gonna buff 1 class you needa buff the rest as well or simply turn their dmg into phys dmg and make holy shock and exorcism fire dmg so atleast people can get some gear aginst paladins
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Other classes ? yes
but Hunter ? Definitly not
The only class who has the right to ask for a buff is Warriors and especially the arms spec
And if for you bug fixes = buffs youâre really on an other planet x)
Go touch some grass, maybe try other games but get out of the forums for a while for your own sanity.
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Thatâs what Iâm saying arms warrior is performing worse then tanks when he has ashbringerâŚ
And your latter response is exactly why people see paladin players as sweaty antisocial fat idiots 
Bug fix=150% more dmg on Crusader Strike 
its even funnier considering that if enhancement shamans want 150% more damage on their stormstrike, they need to combine t2 and/or t2.5 and use a 2H for the last 50% otherwise its only 100%.
so basically, enhancement is locked into mandatory shoulder rune (stormbreaker from T2), and also locked into (ideally) 2p t2.5 and 2H to get their full 150% damage bonus.
iâm not sure what gives paladins 150% damage on their crusader strike, but iâm sure the requirements to obtain it are way more forgiving.
you know, kinda like horn of lordaeron is way more forgiving in practice than the str/agi totems are.
if you are detecting salt, thatâs right, iâm starting to get a little bit salty.
iâm angry. angry about paladins.
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Warrior here, as nice as buffs would be; my class is fine.
Iâve discussed âarmsâ before and the talent tree is just so bad that thereâs no way to buff it properly. Blizzard would have to add a rune that makes up for 5/5 Flurry and Death Wish, otherwise arms will never complete.
What are you talking about me being antisocial ?
If I say this itâs for your health xD
All youâve been doing during these past weeks are spilling out hate and salt on forums 24/7 about a game you said to have unsubbed xD
And ⌠oh nooo âŚ
This ? Really ? You canât be serious âŚ
Thatâs all you got to defend youâre claim that paladins are contantly buff ? A buff whoâve been made at the right start of p8 ( so 1 month ago ⌠) to compensate for the 4 HUGE nerf to our core set bonuses + the end of templar for 2 hand user in the same patch ? Really ?âŚ
Dude ⌠thatâs sad âŚ.
Got news for you pota it is the EXACT same issue we have on paladin
If you want to perform as a ret you are lock with t2 2p and 4p and thatâs the case since p5
And Iâm not talking about a few damage, but all of our damage comes from them
100% serious, yes.
crusader strike is 100% magic damage and thus cannot be mitigated, while the shaman counterpart, once again, is inferior due to being physical damage and requiring way more setup in terms of gear/rune combinations.
also, paladins were running around 1-tapping everyone for months, its genuinely astounding that you guys didnât see a nerf coming.
the fact blizzard just moved the damage somewhere else and then adding a new set as an extra christmas present for you on top of that is really messed up.
its like they think the players are too dumb to see through the shenanigans.
âguys donât worry, we nerfed all the things that made paladins one shot anything and everything on contact⌠donât look at this new stuff we gave them that basically allows them to continue to do so with these recent buffs, thoâ
2p t2 and 4p what tier?
cus im looking at the paladin list, and it seems all you need to perform is the 2p t2 and everything else is t4.
additionally, if you could clarify for me how to obtain 150% crusader strike damage, that would be lovely (i genuinely donât know, so im curious).
Both comes from t2
As for the crusader strike it comes from the 2p of t2.5 so it will be soon completly obsolete
Glad to help 
so canât you just use the 2.5 2p bonus on shoulder rune and get your âfreeâ 150% crusader strike damage?
so basically yeah, paladin gets their 150% dmg bonus from A SINGLE 2P SET BONUS, while shaman has to combine two different set bonuses and use a 2H to get the same for stormstrikeâŚ
bruhâŚ
what are you giving up in return for it?
err⌠so youâre using 4p t2 or?
Weâre using 2p t2 on equip + 4p on shoulders
The 4p is really important because it cause our judgement to be usable each swing (so on each twist) wich when used with the 2p permits us to double judge on each swing and trust me it does way more damage than crusader strike
You can try it on sims if you want try one with crusader strike (retributor) and one with 4p t2 (judicar) 
wtf thats disgusting lol.
so you arenât even going for this ez 150% crusader strike damage increase because thereâs an even better option?
Option wich as been already gutted by the start of p8 with 4 of our core set and youâre all crying here about the only positive thing that happened to compensate all that while weâre getting the t3.5 (or t4)
The t2 draconic set is THE set that permit ret paladins to exist now if youâre getting rid of it or nerfing it too hard itâs the entire spec whoâs going to die
But the point still remain thatâs apparently the only proof youâre able to pull of to pretend that pallys are constantly buff is a buff of a set that have been put there 1 month ago to compensate for 4 HUGE nerf and that will be obsolete in a couple of weeks
Did I get that right ?
seems like the right path for the devs is paved to me tbh.
when a set bonus is so strong it beats 150% bonus damage on your primary attack, that means its too strong.
???
Youâre a hunterâŚ
Youâre playing the tutorial class.
Against paladin im getting clapped like im a critter, i die in 1x Hoj, or if he bubbles at 100% hp, he still kills me before it expire⌠Paladins Crusader strike HIT me for 1k+, my auto attack hit the paladin for 200 (WITH ASHBRINGER), my heroic strike crit 500⌠Paladins EXO crit me 1,3k and hes a ret?.. This game is unbalanced as F, nerf them paladins dmg in pvp by another 50% and maybe its evenâŚ
Not even gonna talk about Shockadins, noone stand a chance against them.
Disgusting?
Cut the act please.
The âbetter optionâ is to make ret viable with a fluid rotation.
Plus as far as I know, bis p8 2H enhance doesnât take the 150% damage bonus on stormstrike either⌠So why are you crying over the paladin? Hypocrite.
Do you really have nothing else to do with your time?
Says the huntard lol
Maybe you should train a little and take example on kefta : htt_ps://ww_w.youtube.c_om/shorts/avk7xNH6PpM
You donât think its even a smidge vile that ret paladin has a better version of the 150% damage increase for their primary attack, in a single rune with no strings attached?
The fact there is even a better option to choose is irrelevant to the point here, but it adds to the outrage since this better option existed last phase too, aka the templar rune or whatever it was called.
enhancement needs full 6p to use the flamebringer (lava burst) setup, and its a new thing only since phase 8 and iâll be honest it does look bonkers.
before flamebringer build, for 2 phases straight, the stormbreaker (+150% SS damage) was the BIS option, which means its the 2nd best option until you are literally bis geared.
but again, this is kind of irrelevant to the point i was making.
ok, so here is the TL;DR of the point:
To get 150% damage increase for Stormstrike/Crusader Strike the respective classes must:
Shaman:
- use T2 4p as mandatory rune on shoulder.
- use 2x T2.5 - gear that is 2 phases old.
- use a 2-handed weapon specifically, otherwise the damage bonus is âonlyâ 100% for SS while dual wielding.
Paladin:
- use shoulder rune enchant.
Now that being said, surely you can see why the fact there is fewer requirements for an improved version of a very strong attack (one that ignores armor, is magical, and has 0 magic resistance against it due to being holy school) is kind of absurd.
All Stormstrike does, by comparison is serving as an extra attack swing with a 20% nature damage taken debuff tagged on, and its physical damage which is just flat out inferior to crusader strike in every way⌠like do you wanna trade? iâll take crusader strike over stormstrike any day.
Maybe you should train a little and take example on kefta
Maybe you should open your paladin eyes for once, look up from those 2 spells on your actionbar and see he got a personal healer on almost every video. Ofc a warrior can win if someone is spam healing him every fight.
His damage is around 200-500, he crit execute 1400 once âwaowâ.
Paladins faceroll 1500-4000dmg every global. Its INSANE
PvP in this game is 
thanks to Paladins and Balance druids.
Edit: I see hes fighting the same Paladin in 3 of his last videos. He is using every tool he can + Free action pot etc⌠[Velendis - Crusader Strike - Warcraft Logs]
That paladin is drooling on 2 buttons and still almost wins against this PVP god warrior.
pls buff paladins