What do you think about this rpg feature added back in WoD when you became the commander of the alliance/horde garrison in Draenor?
Did you enjoy being a special snowflake and rule above all of your class characters in legion? Wield powerful weapons like the Ashbringer or Doomhammer.
And now, being the champion of Azeroth, again a special snowflake that is using another powerful artifact to make great things. Do you enjoy all of that or you wish to go back to simpler times when you were a simple adventurer or champion of your faction, but among many others like we were in WotLK when we fought daddy Arthas?
Do you think Shadowlands is going to make us the center of the universe again? I think there is great opportunity to not do such things. We can be one of many who sacrified their life to go into the shadowlands and stop Sylvanas. And be one of many adventurers from Azeroth that join certain convenants.
On my behalf I enjoy being a simple adventurer and player. I did not enjoy being a superior to Darion Mograine in Dk Order Hall, I mean he gave me orders since WotLK. I think such things do not fit very well into MMORPGS.
You did too much as a character to be considered a simple sacrifice or adventurer.
You weren’t regarded as a superior Darion Mograine in your DK Order Hall just for giggles, by your achievements you WERE superior to him in every way.
The character represents now an asset essential to the survival of the world, hence the whole HoA ordeal. And do remember, going by the lore there really aren’t 10234958349 champions, it’s just you specifically and a group of your friends.
I just ignore it tbh.
It doesn’t fit any of my character’s stories, so I just skip over the champion parts and come up with something that better fits their personal story
To be honest, me personally feel a little bit confused with all of these…
On one hand we are the champions, but on the other hand we are forced to go and kill some boars on the fields
I think that it has gone into wrong direction allowing players to be a champions with group of friends… It should be that we are the friend of some NPC champion - whe have a lot of them and the story should be settled around them with us players as the one who are helping.
In BFA i feel like the “champion” is used only for purpose of Magni calling us that way…
Actually started in Cata you are 2 expacs to late .
And this thread been done to death ive been playing since 2004 on US after 15 years and so many boss kills you are hardly going to be a peasant anymore .
What I think it’s hilarious, as a Horde player at least is: if you are such a powerful, important, mighty, distinguished, character,
after Legion.
Why couldn’t you just challenge Sylvanas to Mak’Gora after Teldrassil ?
For the players that didn’t approved her actions.
Just like Saurfang did at the gates of Ogrimmar.
The whole BFA has Magni calling you champion, Nathanos looking down on you and Sylvanas, saying she trusts you, but in the end you are just a soldier carrying orders, just like the assassins sent to kill Thrall.
If we are acting as cameras for the main protagonist of the story, this titles makes no sense.
I would prefered a thousand times been told by Nathanos that we are soldiers of the Horde and nothing else and the player character either obey or face the gallows for treason.
I mean, after all, the player character(s) defeated and / or conquered (before WoD):
Elemental Lords
Dragons of all kind, including everything from whelplings to chromatic drakes to the most powerful of the red dragonflight to undead drakes such as Sapphiron to Deathwing and his two most prized children
Troll Gods and Old Gods, and their numerous minions
The Burning Legion’s most fearsome commanders, including Kil’Jaeden, Magtheridon and Archimonde, if you count Caverns of Time
Defeated one of the most powerful Blood Elf mage, Kael’Thas, and defeated one of the most powerful Night Elf mage demon, Illidan
Defeated many powerful Titanic beings, including Algalon the Observer
Defeated the Lich King, his most powerful commanders - Kel’thuzad and Anub’Arak for example - and his entire army
Defeated the Twilight’s Hammer, and single handedly rooted out most of their influence in your faction
And we’ve seen pandaland. kek.
My point is that from a continuity standpoint, it does make sense that entire Azeroth wants to have our PP, what doesn’t make sense is that we never seem to stop growing in power, which isn’t RPG like at all, more like Hack and Slash.
Besides, no matter if you are a Commander, Champion of Azeroth or whatever, you’ll still be just as dumb in a +10 as anyone else, so who’s the real champion now huh.
Since the start, it’s been more or less the same thing: Murder your way through swathes of enemies. Redshirts, named guys, big lore names, anything that drops loot.
I’m not sure how long you can do that and still remain a nobody. Our bodycount just from questing to max level is absolutely ludicrous and the power level of the things we do slay is nothing to scoff at either.
I agree, though, that “Champion” is a funny word to describe a person murdering the world for loot. I suppose it’s an euphemism.
Depends on who we murder for. It always does. If we had the same bodycount, but worked for N’zoth or some other Old God, we’d be known as a slaughtering bloodlusting maniac. Who does it for loot.
Unfortunately, given how much crazy stuff our characters have done over the years (and have been recognized for–in Vanilla/TBC you could easily pretend that those powerful bosses were killed by someone else, but it’s difficult to do the same when the game insists on stroking your ego all the time) it is impossible to be anything else.
Frankly, this whole “champion” business makes me feel confused; on one hand I’m supposed to be that allmighty being, but then I go collecting bear asses for random villagers. It’s like the game wants me to feel like a “champion” and an adventurer, but in the end I feel like neither.
I mean, we can’t just slay dragons every time we decide to hop out to do good for the world, but I get what you mean.
The RPG element of character story progression is missing so much. I’d love to have my character stay away from fame, to be a more mysterious “champion”.
I don’t like being champion. We don’t even know what canonically player actually did to claim that we’re more accomplished than anyone else. For example in Zul’Gurub many soldiers perished to blood corruption, Uldir was cannonically delt with Horde and Zandalari not Alliance. So our actual involvement doesn’t have to be canonical one .
With that being said, no I don’t think that Champion, ultimate savior of the world is a good fantasy, mercenary is more fitting considering we do everything for loot/gold, we have screw ups on our concious and achievements. And lastly…
We still have to do poop quests. No big accomplished lore character does stuff like that.
Yes and no,
For older characters it seems more fitting, they did the old raids and defeated powerful antagonists.
but a big, a really BIG no for any new character I make. I want to be able to be a “adventurer” again, in whatever shape or form you can think of them.
I hope the new expansion with it’s new levelling system and the whole “chromie will show you the world” idea will help bring back some of the adventurer parts, as long as the shadowlands isn’t to big on the “you are the hero” plot.
If I want to be a hero I’ll play a single player RPG or Swtor
