Do you enjoy Pathfinders over MoP flying?

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It’s already been said by a lot of people, but, I don’t think it’s the Achievement side of things that people don’t enjoy. It’s the time-gate that they add too it. It’ll be close to a year before we get flying, and yet I got part 1 done within the first month (And I know people got it done within a few weeks).

They’re bringing out all of these cool mounts that can fly, and yet, we can’t actually use them. I definitely prefer the Pathfinder achievements, but, I’d prefer it even more if flying was added to the game from the beginning. Keep the requirements, but don’t time-gate it.

Yes, the world feels more “alive” without flying, but, it would be exactly the same with flying as it is right now without. The places that are alive are hotspots, which is where everyone would be if flying was added to the game.

To begin with, I was in the side of not minding the wait for flying. But, if it came out with the first patch, it’d be much better. So, if it were brought out in 8.1, everyone would be fine with it.

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I hate pathfinder with a passion. It’s designed to slow things down to a crawl, which is exactly what they want it to be, because that is apparently “meaningful content” to Blizzard.

The means of transportation should never EVER be part of the gameplay. Travelling from A to B should be quick. A whole heap of other MMOs have caught on to that, and have some sort of teleportation system in place so players can travel quickly to the hub and start playing. Even FF14 has a better approach to flying than WoW. Once you’ve explored the zone, that’s it, you should be getting flying. No need to ground you, other than to drag things out.

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Unpopular opinion but I actually prefer the no flying time, I will however use flying just to be time efficient when it’s unlocked but I like the ground mounts and the zones. If I gotta pick it’s pathfinder cause it’s slower to get to the flying part

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no. I hate it.
players should be able to unlock flying for gold.

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With flying game feels more fluent than with fly master whistle + hearthstone. Don’t mind pathfinder, but doubt flying timegating is a smartest way to retain players.

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I agree, with flying we think the world is lesser than it is already. Also avoiding everything while moving from A to B is nowhere of RPG aspect. But they gave us that feature, many subs would end if they would cut flying completely.

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If pathfinder had been there from the beginning it would be different case but now for me the whole pathfinder feels like taking something away from me, then tangling it front of me and asking me to do things to get back what was mine in the beginning. I am never forgiving them they tried to take away flying and pathfinder reminds me of it every expansion.

I would tolerate it if it would be doable at start of the expansion, but not this way. If they want people to experience their creations fully and enjoy things on ground mount, perhaps they should make those things so appealing that people would volunteery stay on the ground and do everything instead of this stupid blackmail.

I do most of the things required for pathfinder anyway while playing but just the idea of it annoyes me. Grrr. :rage:

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I prefer just buying it from a vendor, but I can’t really say I feel anything strongly about anything related to flying. I’ll just take it whatever way it is.

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I like pathfinder as an idea. It has a couple of advantages, it’s account wide and no price saves a lot of gold. It’s not limited to max level so alts can level with flight.
I am fine with the Explore and Lore aspects. Less keen on the rep grinds but meh.

My only real issue with Pathfinder is the time-gating. 8.1 or even 8.1.5 would have been time enough to enable Flight. I’ve been doing old reps and transmogs recently and not doing any BfA content as I’m waiting for flying before leveling alts and finishing rep grinds.
When they do enable flight in 8.2 it will be with a new zone (which almost inevitably won’t allow flight) so that will take my attention for some time so I won’t get to my alts until a year into the expac.

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white noise

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As someone who fairly soon after an expansion launch pretty much only goes out into the open world to do WQs. I find little excuse as to why unlocking flying for a current expansion cannot be done earlier.

My Pathfinder achievement is done by then anyway. If you would keep the requirement for flying allowed, being completing this achievement but change it so, when you complete it, you will then be able to fly in outdoor zones tied to this achievement from the start of the expansion. This would for me make the game more fun.

Personally, the outdoor zones become more fun when I can explore them from all angles, not just from the ground watching trees above me.
Being forced to spend more time in the outdoor zones while doing the daily/3-day WQ tour simply because someone said, you’re not allowed to fly yet. This does not make the game more enjoyable for me. I know this makes it sound like I don’t want to be in the open world but the thing is…I DO. Very much so, just that, after a few weeks of running around, I’ve seen what I wanted to see from ground perspective. Further exploration I want to do from the air.

If flying is kept from us for as long as it is partially due to the want to keep faction conflicts alive/world PvP etc. I say this: Okay, have it so if you turn on Warmode, you will not be able to fly. Or, if you turn on Warmode, you can fly but if you fly over any enemy faction camp you will be shot down. Players who opt into Warmode will also be able to obtain certain items(hooks, ropes etc) that they can use to dismount players from mid-air. Like what we get for the WQ in south-western Nazmir where you pull the flying pterrordaxes towards you(but for players).

For anyone who says, but this will make your time trying to do world quests while playing with Warmode on so inefficient. I say, if you want efficiency, turn off Warmode.
Warmode is meant for those who want to fight eachother, who wants the conflict.
It should never be more efficient to opt into Warmode over not doing it. Otherwise you would then be trying to tell players that they must do something they might very well hate just for the sake of getting the most(efficiency) out of their time playing.

Making it so that those who turn on Warmode will be able to earn more currencies, experience etc, as a motivator so that players will feel that they want to turn it on, this is doing it WRONG if you ask me. This is not what Warmode should be about.

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I think this hits the nail on the head. It’s the gating that is so utterly frustrating.

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I think Pathfinder is rubbish, though I don’t mind Loremaster + zone exploration as the only necessary achievement to get it.

I like to play the game at my own pace, and looking back at WoD pathfinder, it required me to do a lot of tasks I usually save to the end of an expansion. Flying is one of the core elements of the game for me, so I don’t understand why it is locked behind a forced pacing and order of doing the content. I can live with Loremaster as a requirement for it, but that is about it, and possibly because loremaster is one of the first things I personally like to finish in an expansion.

I am also quite baffled, and unable to understand why they are holding flying back for as long as they do.

The only thing the lack of flying has achieved in my case, is that I tab out of the game much more frequently(flightpaths and loading screens), and try to “cheat travel” the world as much as possibe through tools on teleportation. Where is the world in that? Heck, I don’t even understand why we can’t even have a “proper” boat trip between Zandalar and Kul Tiras, more like we used to have between Mists Edge in Darkshore, and Menethil. Or Booty Bay - Ratchet. That felt a lot more immersive than the insta NPC chat teleportation from the boat in Boralus… The old travelling routes with the boats do have a loading screen too, but at least the boat leave the dock before you go into loading.

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I agree with my Tauren brother.

I’d like to add that, while I do agree with the requirements, I think the time-gating is too long. Yes, yes, we’ve seen Zandalar and Kul Tiras by now - 8.1.5 would be the perfect time to release flying in these continents. World PvP probably still remains near WQs, and once the new zones are added, we’ll get some WPvP there as well, assuming that they time-gate flying there as well.

There’s nothing wrong with some time-gating. But Blizzard needs to take into account that, by now, most of us have done the content enough times, and want to level more alts in a quicker way.

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I like Pathfinder and completed part 1 yonks ago. In fact, I went back to Legion for a few weeks before 8.1 (I’d only just reached 110 when BfA pre-patch dropped) just to get Legion Pathfinder and the flying Pally horse.

I also agree with:

Once you’ve played enough of the PvE there’s loads of flight points around the two new zones. And having to ride or run everywhere is much more fun in Warmode, because you never know when you’re going to go round a corner and hit a mob of enemy players.

And I have my Net-o-Matic 5000 in my bags ready for when Warmode flying comes along.

That all being said, I do totally understand why many players dislike the grind and the delay.

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Finished flight in previous 2 xpacs recently, still think it’s dumb and unfair.

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I don’t really mind, either way. What I do mind is pathfinder’s lazy, formulaic, and incredibly boring implementation. It’s far too grindy, far too spread out, and far too… I mentioned boring, right?

Seriously, I cannot enunciate fully how totally mind-numbing I find it.

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It’s obvious it is nothing but an artificial time gate to increase game longevity and drag out content.

I hated as a new player going from mid to late level flying only to hit WOD / LEGION and be stuck on the ground.

It felt horrible not because I could not fly but because it was very poorly executed and makes the player feel like it is taking steps backwards, not forwards.

They should give players both choices, so those that want to do it the slow way can and those that don’t can play like they always have at lower levels.

The way it is setup now makes no sense and this coming from a new player.

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Blizzard are trying to make flying “special”, personally I think it’s a stupid idea and should be changed back straight away, or as soon as a new expansion is out it should be buyable in the old expansions.

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I too like the pathfinder way. It’s fair that Blizzard wants us to see the game before we can start to “skip” it. Flying becomming avaliable to all toons without a gold fee when you get it is golden for an altoholic like me.

But the waitingtime for when it becomes avaliable… is way too long. I’m on the brink to not wanting to log in, and certainly not do BfA content. (I still do, but I’d rather not. Just got to keep my toons from lagging behind.)