tbh any medium to large online community that has relatively invested and consistent users will end up with half a dozen drama blogs/offsite forums/twitter accounts/subreddits given enough time.
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Agreed, don’t think ADs is a unique situation, just think its been around so long that other communities with those factors will develop eventually.
I’m not going to convince you, nor was it my point as we established back in 1847 when we started this mess of a debate.
I’ve seen servers die. I see that pattern on AD. I see its cause in non-RPers normalising not RPing.
You refuse this. Your lack of concern for the circumstance concerns me, so I present my experience as an example to all who bother with this thread.
We’re now at the point where you demand a legally binding argument with figures and graphs just to pay attention to my basic premise and you openly insult my intelligence for not caving, claiming you made a clever logic trap to disprove what I see with my own eyes.
I’m done with this argument and would appreciate it if you took some time off, let this rotting mess settle and apologised.
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If I’ve offended you, I should apologise.
We both could have handled it better, yet I am ultimately responsible for the tone I have used, which I can totally see why it couldn’t create a pleasant discussion. Discussion aside, I do believe I’ve been harsh – way too much.
Never one time I wanted to say that you’re unintelligent – I’m sorry if I came across like that, I do think that you are indeed intelligent and that it often shows through your posts: you never take the easy route and speak in an educated manner. And you do like a challenge. 
I think we’ve both outlined and articulated our positions and discussing them further would lead to articulate lesser details. Before I felt like our discussion was left unfinished, but now I think it’s mostly done. The ideas are all there. In regards to the two of us, I don’t think it matters who is right or wrong: to me (and from what I’ve gathered, to you as well) it was not about us, it was about the thing: the idea.
We’ve outlined our position with determination and I like people who would not give up on their ideas if they have a good reason to - and who knows, perhaps your personal experience is a good reason.
I could say you debated well but it sounds paternalistic: you don’t need me to validate you. You completely do it on your own, Levey. You’re a great person.
I hope we can both agree at least on this bit. 
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I think at minimum you could respect Levey’s theory. I don’t agree with it either but it’s valid from her perspective. From my experiences not just on two now dead RP WoW servers but also in other RP communities, a more believable explanation for me, by far, is seeing communities torn apart from drama or a lack of interest in the game.
To be real, I’ve only seen the OOC player outnumber the role-player when the RP has already dwindled and the realm population as a whole has shrank considerably. I can accept that people moving away after being griefed is a factor but I do think this ‘normalizing OOC’ rhetoric is more so a personal thing instead of one that has wider reaching implications.
Ultimately, there are a lot more reasons that come before a systematic ‘non-RP is considered the norm’ and perhaps that’s just the final result of all of the initial steps. But that’s just based on my own experiences and observations.
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Whats crazy though is how someone from Sha’tar realm who legit plays/played there for years so 100% would have a better idea of what that realm is than say…someone who hasnt? said the realm is dead and far from healthy and confirmed AD is the last bastion for rp on WoW, and you basically tried countering that with “I -assume- based off what I see on their forums that they -probably- host events weekly n such” as a defence that other rp realms are still healthy n that OOC’ers have/had no impact on their death, just cant accept that you may be wrong about something? nothing terrible or world ending about being incorrect, Im incorrect an awful lot and have no issues admitting when I am…it happens, were all human and capable of being incorrect.
I think personally it’s a waste of time convincing those who have been given all the arguements before yet time after time again just go in it like it’s a fresh debate that hasn’t been talked about before while using the same arguements as if they’ve never been shot down all the previous times before
I take my hat off for your efforts so far but these types of personalities turn discussions into arguements just so they have something to win and it’s good to see you’ve reached that point. You fought well.
just keep on trucking, keep raising awareness of the issue when it is mentioned, that’s honestly all we can do.
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Fine, there’s not really much to add. No hard feelings.
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I was actually one of the last people to leave The Sha’tar during MoP when there were, presumably, less than twenty active role-players. I’ve done some write ups of it before but tbh the topic is very, very depressing.
I did my utmost to encourage and facilitate RP but people chose the easy option to migrate or quit playing. At this point, there weren’t a lot of OOC players either. It was difficult to find anyone for anything. The RP population declined at around the same time as the overall player population.
Both are dying again now.
I find it best to not dilute an already dwindling number.
While I was one of the last people who left Earthen Ring, and, at the time, it was 100% dead.
In fact, it was the smallest realm of the entire European server cluster. That is how dead it was.
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yeah when I left steamwheedle for AD it was the same thing, a dying server, AD being where the grass was greener.
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Ah yeah, OOCers are really vital to the server and definitely never occupy RP hotspots with OOC chatter
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Why not just… … … Stick them on ignore?
They’re nothing compared to mammoth idiots.
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This is an RP server they shouldn’t have too, years ago before the rules change around mid Wrath they would have given a slap on the wrist by a GM.
At this point I think we should start OOC report squads, whenever these people turn up to be a nuisance we should in full force to mass report them until they get an automated temp ban. There’s a difference between a clear good humoured joke like say a group of people roleplaying meme caricatures of the LOTR cast, old server comedians like Toriel or Hamfist but these three people are blatantly trying to be disruptive.
Because last I checked, ignore had limited spaces
They’d be the ones who get banned.
The griefers may too, but the system so garbo.
Not any more, ignore is account wide and it was extended.
You can also get additional mods that make it wider too.
Chatter itself is not a problem. There are multiple solutions and filters around this without trying to strangle your fellow player.
Things like this are more obtrusive.
To play devil’s advocate, from a moderator perspective there isn’t. What counts as disruption to one player is roleplay to another. Which means you cannot apply an objective ruling on what counts as “disrupting” roleplay aside from blatant things like aforementioned mammoth sitters, spamming and using explicit language.
And as also noted, OOC report squads are also (probably) against the ToS. It was tried in goldshire and it only resulted in the reporters being slapped with warnings for flooding the moderator’s report bin with the same reports, which by standard they would likely be expected to go through each and every to validate if the claims and flagging are genuine.
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