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who cares about other players leaving server/faction ? its not like i ever speak to any of them, definitely im not going to be in their guild.

about the racials, do they really matter that much ? i just choose the race i like to play with.

The only way Blizzard can fix this is to start offering substantially bigger rewards to the Alliance raiders, and I mean substantial, like say 10k times more gold, 10 items of loot per member of the raid team and so on.

In short, bribe them to switch to Alliance.

Can you imagine how this would be received by the diehard Horde raiders ?

Yet limit only had 3 in first kill world first in there team .
The Limit GM said they would move alliance if it didnt cost a MIN of $200 per raider to move as alliance has the best racials .
MG
KT
Nelf
Human.

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With a significant enough advantage all top raiders would switch side. The end result would not be a fix of the imbalance: it would merely be a switch of the imbalance to the Alliance side, but it would be imbalanced still.

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Night Elves - Have shadowmeld, allows skips of all sorts. Basically feign death for non hunters in PvE.

Humans - Can remove stun effects, really useful if caught in a bad position.

Dwarf - Stoneform can remove pretty much any debuff you have, including the necrotic affix.

Are the horde racials out of control really?

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It would need to be something that’s monitored and when a reasonable balance has been achieved the rewards go back to normal.

The only other thing that would negate the imbalance that I can think of is to remove the barriers between Horde and Alliance and let us have mixed Horde/Alliance raids/groups/guilds and let us talk to each other.

it might have been becuse of racials at one point or the other, but not realy now anymore, now it is more due to bigger pool of players, and there is nothing Blizzard can do, exept remove factions, what most likely wont happen atleast yet.

reason why people now move is a combination of everthing, what I call a the Lemmings effect, when one guild moves, the rest follows blindly.

though if the trend continues, it will be the down fall of alliance, or maby even the game as it is now.

becuse if enough joins horde, alliance totaly dies out, what makes those who do want to play an alliance race, forced to join horde, what they wont do, but instead quit, what I would estimate would be quite a huge number, new players would not come to game unless they want to play horde.

hi you’re lvl 20. your horde main raids mythic
nobody cares about your lvl 20 troll forum alt
alliance racials are equal to horde in 2020
but they were inferior for 10 years.
fix this

Ppl have been switching over for longer than just bfa

The issue is primarily caused not by the top end raiders (the world firsters) but by those beneath them. As other have said it’s about pools of players, nothing more nothing less.

I believe one of the guilds in the world first race said they would have all gone alliance to do so because their racials are slightly better and their roster is made up already, but due to borrowing gold for the bow corruption fiasco they couldn’t afford to do it.

This is primarily a numbers issue now. Even if you buff racials it won’t resolve it.

Imagine you’re looking to join a sports club. You can join the red club or blue club.

Statistically speaking you may have a better game if you join blue club, however there’s less members which means your chances of having a full team that is good to go is less. In red club the game quality is statically only slightly less, but there’s always enough players to get a game.

Most players prioritise getting a game, especially those not on world first chases.

If blizzard removed cost of H to A faction swap for a bit, this may cause the world firsters to swap, which may prompt at least some of the copycat guilds to do the same (or those with stable rosters) which could undo some of the damage. But beyond this I’m not sure what can be done.

In my opinion, racials should just removed completely, and leave race as a cosmetic choice only.

Ok. I’m just curious, Let’s just say for argument sake we’re talking about dps, let’s just Say a mage. If you compare the worst dps racial to the best, How much difference in dps are we talking? In an average raid fight.

I know utility is a massive factor and it isn’t just about dps, I’m just curious

Racials are out of control? Hahaha, please stop.

Alliance on a mathematical level have better facials. Method ect transferred to Horde in (Cata?) from Alliance.

The difference is so minimum that not even top end raiding guilds can be bothered to FC back to Alliance now.

Point being, racials are no longer the reason there’s a lot of players playing Horde these days. It might have been the reason in the past.

I am curious though, what’s your opinion on stuff like Night Elves Shadowmeld?

There is roughly 2% difference between a Vulpera and a Troll fire mage. Best/worst racials.

And there is 0.8% difference between a Human and Troll fire mage, the best racials on both sides respectively.

but then u have to be a troll… cries in feet horror

Oh another one of these.

How well informed. Also, look at all this evidence.

People are playing horde because of the type of player it attracted in the first place.

Alliance was all about people who felt self righteous. Horde was all about players who were kind and helpful, the real life version of “races who banded together for survival”.

It wasn’t really about racials until later into the game.

Any Horde caster would’v killed for VElfs recial especially in PvP.

Well, that’s going to be covered by one of the Night Fae soulbind.

What do you mean by there is nothing Blizzard can do, they created this imbalance themselves all they have to do is making the same mistake in order to neutralize their past mistake.

what would not, contribute to anything, exept the balance shifting to alliance dominated again, and it would go fast if that happens.