Dragonflight has been the best PvP expansion since Warlords of Draenor

PVP Arenas
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Yeah, a major glyph. They updated the tooltip that it only worked in defensive stance, not glad.

And yeah it was 2 weeks. Happened the same hotfix they nerfed frozen ammo duration from 6 to 4 secs (didnt matter tho lol).

They removed all my utility from all of the classes i used to play, or gated them behind talents. Every class was pruned to bare bones. Bm and mm hunters didnt get their traps back until 7.1.5

There was rng on top of rng game design (you could go sometimes full 30 seconds as arms warr before proccing tactician, which gave you a brief window to deal damage, or as mm hunter getting procs to get guided shot or wtf it was called).

Legion also introduced a lot of failsafe, zero counterplay game mechanics (e.g. separation anxiety BM hunters, automatic bubble for paladins, sub rogue main builder always teleporting you behind the enemy, etc). Spell reflect and grounding now reflected/absorbed all spells for the duration, not just 1 like they had for some 12+ years with no issues up until that point.

Legion is also where we start to see things like Sharpen Blade make it into game, another cooldown, to respond to healing cooldowns, and not almost all melee have the god damn mortal wounds effect.

And they also added DH. A class whose single target is also their aoe, their best defensive is also their offensive, their mobility better or on par with a monk, and they also gave them utility on top of that.

Ah, but they die in stuns. But so does everybody else…

Legion was well and truly the antichrist game design expansion from which it has never recovered. All the problems of modern class design can be attributed to those devs.

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Lil bro got chally first season of WoD and now he’s running the whole anti propaganda.

Also it’s funny because it’s coming from a BfA dh dk full pve tank trinkets triple healer enjoyer probably the worst times game has ever seen.

It’s interesting you don’t talk about that.

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Nice, you may be the first person I meet who hates Legion as much as I do.
I feel so lonely in these threads:
l Legion Patch 7.0.3 (2016-07-19): Removed
l Legion was a McDonald's meal

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I’d say BFA and SL were worse than WoD. WoD was bad because of scripted gameplay due to prunning and stale meta. BFA had crazy amount of borrowed power. Playing 5 days of PvE to PvP for 2. SL we all know…

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You are not alone Legion was utter trash, its expansion that started this stupid meta we have now. Arenas feels like Mythic+. MOP and WOD were best PvP expansion. DF is 100% way ahead compared to BFA/SL thanks to being able to gear in pvp and do alts but class design is still not so good like on MOP.

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This has to be the best Legion summary i’ve read so far.

I remember having 5 spells on my bars as a frost dk and got 2.1 in one session. Then i was about to fix my UI but realized that was actually all my spells.

Awful expansion.

But it is true Legion had a good playerbase due to short frequent seasons. BfA somehow still had good playerbase. It was half into SL where arena officially died out.

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WoD was a billion times better than BFA!

BFA with its face tanking destro locks or tank trinket melee cleaves or no skill Assa with max gushing was probably the worst PvP this game has ever seen! Followed by SL with just incredible bad balancing!

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I played DF 1minth at the start and this month.

Pretty fun, got my rival lewrning holy after i was insisting on disc for years.

Game needs improvements but its better than shadowlands fiesta for sure.

Also, ohhh, memories, feral wod​:face_with_hand_over_mouth::face_with_hand_over_mouth::face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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About PvP and DF… yeah… no.
Sure that they brought back that kind of gearing is a VERY BIG pro…
Yet … no PvP stat or something that you can tune PvP balance. Versatility is a PvE stat.
I won’t even go to balance because WoW and balanced PvP had a bad relation. I will say it had worse iterations than DF, it had better as well when it comes to balance. Patch after patch things usually change… balance depends on that , it makes or breaks it.

However, that thing with the stacking multipliers … not my cup of tea. I don’t who likes it to be honest.
CC/Micro-CC … too much because PvE reasons (like they can’t disable that to work only in PvE… we know they can).
In general… that PvE vs PvP thing is real… they have to separate some things.
No PvP tier/seasonal gear…just PvE tiers depending on PvE needs, when in PvP a spec may need different things and the PvE buffs those sets bring (and nerfed) translate differently in PvP and PvE. (ex. SP tier bonus S2/4 , the 2/4 pcs one… in PvE is very good, in PvP and nerfed is…i just need it for the 4/4 , which again is… better than nothing i guess).

What are they doing to healers is beyond acceptance … You balance them for arena… with …dampening , instead of balancing them all in all for PvP everywhere.

Q syncing everywhere, wintrading etc… NOTHING done yet for another 2 years.
I don’t think all of that is appealing to new players. Not be able to attract new players in a mode is a failure on its own… yet, i can’t take it off the list if we criticize an expansion’s PvP image.

Solo queue was a good idea, bad execution. Blitz can be better and is more fit to the toolkits specs have.

If anything, i’d rank it more of the same…But with way better gearing system.
You can’t compare it to anything before WoD , yet is better than anything after WoD .
The problem is …we try to PvP , with PvE toolkits… it can be fun depending on the person and the mood, spec… objectively good it isn’t.
If we rank anything after WoD as a total below average ,below 5/10 , and anything previously above average …above 5/10 … DF is a solid 5/10 or 6/10 depending on the season … mediocre at best and worst. Nor bad or good.

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Soooo…You agree with my thread?

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More or less yes…

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Yea, typically when the game is unplayble I just quit instead of torturing myself further. Took me a whopping 3 weeks to realize it’s unplayable. Didn’t miss out on anything. Also never said bfa was good, but keep the obvious bait posts coming. SL was the worst expansion followed by WoD, then BfA

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I also didn’t like Legion as a Shaman player. Why? They removed all Shaman utility and made us damage bots. No Tremor, no Grounding. It was extremely tasteless and boring.

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The expansion that purged Metamorphosis and opened the gateway to the zookeeper playstyle

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Multi main-alting in all rating from multi glad r1 AWC players was demotivating players to play 3s. And all turned to solo. Maybe we need a cap how many alt we have to play in rated PVP. like warbands introduse(and maybe not even second same class). The Rating must feel the rating you are. And now is not! that the one of biggest issue.

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That was a good explanation and the reasons are understandable :smiley:

i do agree with your points, and this designe made Problems in the Future

but it feels like, they went now from 1 extreme to the other extreme with dragonflight

now, some classes have “too much” when it comes to deff cd´s or micro cc

i think they just should find a perfect middle, between Legion and Dragonflight, utility wise, and i think Wod was close to be the best for it?

if we dont count spells like dk heal, frozen arrow, rogue killing spree.

but i never had the situation in wod where i got annoyed by 100000 micro cc´s i also liked the pacing in 3s 2s felt like a meme only hunt and combat rogue at 2k+

but mop as an example was annoying for me, cuz u had situations against ls.d for example where u couldnt play your char for 30-40 secounds or holy priest fmage meta.

yeah dh needs a buff where u can use netherwalk in stuns so they are finally viable!

u re right, even when i liked legion because it was so easy to enter the arena because no addons where needed, and every class was easy to play and to get “archives” with it

was atleast fun to play in this xpac what i cant say about df^^

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sl was bad, there was no pvp gear, and the damage was absurd at first (before the late s1 nerf)
The only good thing is the gameplay which was improved (compared to Legion and BFA)
but the passives arrived at the end of sl and made the gameplay stup*d (it’s similar to df)

the big negative point of wod (like cataclysm) is the meta which does not change and only has 3 seasons
And if you played dk, wod’s dk gameplay was much better than other abomination future

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Not only was there PvP gear, at the start of season 1, PvE players were mad because it was better and faster to get than PvE gear.

BFA is the expansion that didn’t have a PvP vendor. It had PvP gear but it was 100% RNG.
Legion didn’t have a PvP vendor but there were templates so it wasn’t a big deal.

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yes but you had to upgrade your gear, not a fun thing if you want arena hl

worst xpac ever

that’s not really true
the farm artifact was ignoble at the start of legion (in s1 I couldn’t do my glad because there was no catch-up)
from s6 it was better, but there was still a difference %
and sorry but there shouldn’t be any difference in gear

And btw the legendary ones weren’t deactivated, stupid thing

wod had the best gear system and it’s not even closed, (set class and legendary deactivated too)

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