Dragonflight Season 4 Dungeon Changes Ahead

[Macpew-draenor]

@Gombaagrön-shattered-hand

Call me slow, but I did not see the M+ dungeon pool. Is it all the Dragonflight dungeons for the last patch?

And as if by magic https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-season-4-mythic-dungeon-rotation-eight-dragonflight-dungeons-338043?webhook

[Arki-bronzebeard]

“Season 4 changes will apply to all eight of the Dragonflight dungeons.”

Please can you clarify if Season 4 dungeon pool ONLY includes the Eight DF original dungeons. So far you have been very vague in confirming the Dungeon pool for Season 4. In posts around Blizzcon it was told we would be revisiting the DF dungeons, however there are 9(10 for M+) not eight, so can you once and for all clarify the dungeon pool for next season please

[Vÿ-tarren-mill]

please just remove affixes completely.

[Wrathluna-tarren-mill]

@Mistjo-argent-dawn

Look at this
https://raider.io/mythic-plus/cutoffs/season-df-3/eu

Just over 50% has all dungeons on a +10. M+ will start at +11 in the next season as intro level. It is just kicking 50% of the playerbase that is playing M+ out.

I am not misunderstanding it at all. Dungeons below +10 are done by a lot of players and even almost 50% that +10 is the max. I have to do a lot of <10 myself too.

Right but they are doing those dungeons because that’s the way to get beyond that. That void is filled by Heroics in this newly designed system. You don’t need to do the current +2 to +10 because heroic and m0 will give you that loot and difficulty.

I do agree that it removes a form of endgame content from a lot of players in a way, what they are trying to here seems more like making dungeons truly a equivalent of raiding with each difficulty of dungeons being a “valid” approach - the current system basically says; do mythic+ the rest is a joke and serves no point beyond gearing towards raiding/m+.

But I do believe they could twist it so that Heroic fits into that slot of endgame content just like it does for raiding, whether it’s necessary, that’s another thing.

[Deadguy-agamaggan]

@Mistjo-argent-dawn

Just over 50% has all dungeons on a +10. M+ will start at +11 in the next season as intro level. It is just kicking 50% of the playerbase that is playing M+ out.

I am not misunderstanding it at all. Dungeons below +10 are done by a lot of players and even almost 50% that +10 is the max. I have to do a lot of <10 myself too.

You are making the huge mistake of assuming that the remaining 50% actually tried to get +10s. When you look at statistics the worst thing you can do is assume causes for why the statistics are the way they are.

All you can tell from the 50% is that half of those characters haven’t gone on to do all dungeons at +10. It doesn’t tell you anything about why. There is absolutely not way to reasonably conclude that half of the player tried and failed.

That number comes from all characters that did at least one M+ dungeon.

[Tah-crushridge]

Can someone post the Jackie Chan “why” meme.

Thank you.

[Bubblès-stormreaver]

Are we going to 8 OG DF dungeons? I swear to God, if HoI is the same as it was and if NO trash still can’t be moved for 3 business days because they have 3 uninterruptable casts + immunity to all CC…

[Purrsley-draenor]

I’m hoping they’ll add some more info about where Veteran gear will be coming from - at moment you can run M2-5(ish) for Veteran 1-4/8 , which allows catalyst to the LFR(and subsequently at Veteran 5/8 Normal) tint for Tier sets. This is in addition to open world weekly lockout things like Superbloom, Dreamseeds, and 1500 Warden Rep.

That farm is, under the new system, gone, and so far replaced only with vault slots if all you’ve run is Heroic dungeons. If LFR as a queued system drops Veteran and provides Veteran in the Vault, and Heroic is going up to M0 difficulty, I don’t see much problem with having Heroic drop 1/8 Veteran (Can be catalysted and contribute to tier set and mog) instead of 4/8 Adventurer which exists, basically, as a Replace Me Soon item.

[Virdict-ravencrest]

M0 weekly lockout should be removed it brings nothing to player enjoyment

[Alfbernt-blackmoore]

@Purrsley-draenor

I’m hoping they’ll add some more info about where Veteran gear will be coming from - at moment you can run M2-5(ish) for Veteran 1-4/8 , which allows catalyst to the LFR(and subsequently at Veteran 5/8 Normal) tint for Tier sets. This is in addition to open world weekly lockout things like Superbloom, Dreamseeds, and 1500 Warden Rep

go to the blogpost link in first post. there is a table about the loot and where it drops. looks like veteran gear is gone so no lfr, normal catalyst ^^

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

Was a tad confused initially but it looks like +10 will be the new +20.

So basically a squish.

[Ellipsìs-tarren-mill]

@Punyelf-draenor

So basically a squish.

More like a truncation / chop.

The differences between key levels isn’t changing.

[Mistjo-argent-dawn]

@Wrathluna-tarren-mill

Right but they are doing those dungeons because that’s the way to get beyond that. That void is filled by Heroics in this newly designed system. You don’t need to do the current +2 to +10 because heroic and m0 will give you that loot and difficulty.

Am i missing the message on the post that they implement Heroic+ for slowly being able to click the difficulties?

[Malachiah-azjolnerub]

A lot of people seem to disregard the fact that normal and heroic will now scale over 13 ilvls each, so I imagine it’s not a static difficulty, but more like running progressively harder M+ depending on your gear level (just an assumption).

[Xaahz-nordrassil]

The post says ‘all eight Dragonflight dungeons’ but there’s 9 including DOTI.

Any chance of confirming if DOTI won’t be appearing in season 4, or if that’s a typo?

[Mistjo-argent-dawn]

@Deadguy-agamaggan

You are making the huge mistake of assuming that the remaining 50% actually tried to get +10s. When you look at statistics the worst thing you can do is assume causes for why the statistics are the way they are.

All you can tell from the 50% is that half of those characters haven’t gone on to do all dungeons at +10. It doesn’t tell you anything about why. There is absolutely not way to reasonably conclude that half of the player tried and failed.

That number comes from all characters that did at least one M+ dungeon.

There are lots of players who are happy they reach +6 in a season. The number is indeed a bit different than real persons. But in the meantime, i have 5 chars in the 50% that does have the +10’s. So i am contributing way more than 1 person on the high end.

[Dampdk-frostmane]

@Unbiased-mirage-raceway

When will the season go live?

wild guess , when Season 4 goes live.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

I guess that depends on your view. If a +20 in S3 is a +10 in S4 it’s a squish to me.

+10 will be the new cap. It’s the new weekly number.

So squish.

[Totoroe-silvermoon]

Why not uncap flightstones whilst you are at it?

[Peacemoon-argent-dawn (Peacemoon)]

They try not to have dungeons present in back-to-back M+ seasons, so I would say very unlikely DOTI will be present in S4. Enjoy it while you can in S3!

Now, whether you can run DOTI mythic 0, and get effectively +10 ilevels from the bosses, could be possible.