so, you belive Erevien, the real troll from the german forum who is even here an annoyance and people in this forum part and general discusion dismanmtel his arguments because he talks trash or his points are blatant lies.
He was banned 4 years ago in german forum for reason.
Shall i give you the contacts, all the context you need to see who is teh real troll here
said the real troll, shall i pubsli all your escapades here.
shall I?
Or comrad @Senti, your also here, shos our english freind here why people were disgusted by him
I know and somehow i feel like this thing is all about mobbing up to a person cause their view isnt like yours.
I havent seen any troll factor from erevien, he surely has really impulsive ideas and he is passionate and it seems to come wrong way sometimes. I really don’t see myself any other problems coming from him.
All i have seen from here this kind of passive aggressiveness from you and some others and mobbing up against differing opinion.I understand that people are all passioned about this here but it goes into personal levels too manytimes whole conversation
I might be aggressive but I always stay in the lore for my arguments. You however take it personal when someone shows up to suggest to give the Horde some love after years of slander.
I don’t plan to join the discussion or interact with Erevien, but let me give you some context to what Kurst is talking about:
Several years ago
In the beginning, Erevien came off as an unhappy Horde player in the german forums - one of many. His main criticism was that in the story, the Horde was always the aggressor, while the Alliance was always portrayed as the “righteous”, “good” faction. That was a legitimate criticism that was shared by quite a few players - myself included.
Then, after a while, he started to talk about an “Alliance bias” on Blizzard’s side and began to spin narratives about how they wanted to “destroy the Horde”. Around that time, he started to derail other people’s forum threads, even when they were talking about an entirely different topic. In the beginning, people took him seriously and argued with him. It quickly became obvious that it wasn’t his intention to convince or gain new insights, since he always repeated the same arguments and ignored everything that didn’t fit his narrative. This behaviour became more frequent, until nearly every time when he joined in on a discussion and started to shoehorn “alliance bias” into it, people on the german story forums just expressed frustration - even Horde players.
The problem was that whenever his claims were proven wrong by actual in-game evidence or examples, he didn’t acknowledge that one bit, but instead changed the goal-post, build strawmen or, as soon as there was nothing left to disprove, went into a roleplay mode, where he started to attack other players, called them “scum” or just “swore to one day kill the alliance fanboys” - but that was just the beginning. For a time, he created new topics about (seemingly) other talking points, but then, started to ramble about “Aliance bias” and “how Alliance players should check their blue privilege” again. Which would not have been problematic, if these threads had anything new to say, new insights, new arguments or new perspectives - but they didn’t, it was the same text every time, often even copy-pasted; long story short:
He started to spam the forums.
At the end of almost every topic, it always boiled down to: “I am the true Horde! Blizzard, you need to write the story for me and me alone! Whoever disagrees is my enemy, alliance scum and has an alliance bias!” (And I’m not exaggerating - these are actual quotes)
Taking him seriously
There was a time when I even sought direct contact with him in Discord, tried to understand his views, while at the same time making him understand that he would need to convince other players of his ideas and not alienate them by spiteful behaviour, in order to change anything or send a sign to Blizzard. After that, he tried that in one post, but when people not instantly supported him, went back to go ad-hominem, opened spam posts and continued to derail other people’s discussions as usual - which effectively ended our contact beyond the forum, since I had realized that he wouldn’t change.
That went on and on, he basically used the forums as his personal stage. He created several “Goodbye”-Threads, where he dramatically announced that he would quit the game / the forum for good - just to be back after two or three days. One time, he said his “final goodbye - for real this time!” - two days later, another character started to post in the story forums that used a suspiciously similar grammar and choice of words. When we confronted him about that, he claimed that he didn’t know who “Erevien” was - and it took several players and some investigative research on the armory website to finally expose him and prove that once again, Erevien had used the forums as his personal stage and playground.
Fighting fire with fire
Since all minor bans and Tickets didn’t seem to work, we also started to make fun of him - for example confronting him with his personal statements, since his stance on certain topics was also “flexible” at best. It wasn’t helpful, but since nothing was changing anyway, at least it was entertaining - for a time. It even sparked some creative art, since he often contradicted his own statements:
RL-Threats
There was a time when he was threatening in his posts to go the Blizzard HQ and vandalize it (and other delusional stuff like that), he started to show an obsessive hate for Chris Metzen and Christie Golden, probably since these two were the most prominent writers at the time. Nothing seemed to help, so most of us started to ignore him whenever it was possible, reported his spam posts and tried not to engage.
Which wasn’t easy and only worked sometimes, because he knew how to push our buttons. I let myself trigger quite a few times, too - and I’m not proud of it.
A united effort
Then one day, he tried to derail another thread by a new player in the story forum. Another player engaged him and due to his harsh tone, a Mod showed up to investigate . Some of the “old guard” in the german story forum used the opportunity and explained to the Mod in very long posts, why the player was acting that way and pointed out Erevien’s usual behaviour on the forums. From here on, I can only speculate:
Since these (very objective and moderate) posts got many likes from the other users, I guess the Mod investigated and found the accusations to be true - which then probably led to a permanent ban for Erevien in the german forums.
To summarize it:
We were the audience to his (never-changing) show and now, with some distance, I’ve realized that he played us quite well back then - because his main goal wasn’t a “better Horde”, it was attention, no matter what. He wasn’t trying to get new insights or convince anyone, he seems to have the belief that the game needs to be designed specifically for him. That he was the only one who knew what the Horde should or shouldn’t be. He gaslighted others about things he said, even when he was confronted with his own posts; he lied quite often and he even mentioned quitting and seeking therapy a few times.
Now, that I have some distance, I have come to the realization that whatever he’s doing here (seeking attention, doing roleplay or somehow living out a mental health issue), it’s simply not worth spending my time on. We could have handled him better back then by ignoring his disruptions completely, but unfortunately, from time to time, new players came along and engaged him (with the best intentions, no doubt).
I have decided not to engage him anymore since I know it’s futile; trying to have a serious discussion with a roleplay character is a waste of time - I have no idea why Kurst is still doing it.
tl;dr
Whatever you make of this, Heisae, please understand that Erevien isn’t the victim you think he is - the troll in this conversation is certainly not Kurst.
Here’s a fact for you. Horde players never asked for that. Alliance players did ask for the belf model. Blame Blizzard if you want for giving the Horde that race, which oddly is less popular than velfs. But don’t put it on the Horde and act like they owe the Alliance something.
I’m not a Horde player or an Alliance player, I play both factions. And one thing I hate is playing Horde and seeing Alliance all around me. I wanna see Horde around me, I wanna feel like I’m playing another faction. And that’s the point you don’t seem to grasp. If I wanted to be a human or a human sidekick, I’d play Alliance. So yeah, I’d rather have my Horde characters be abused by their own faction cause, if nothing else, it’s gonna feel different than being human sidekicks. You follow?
Nobody wanted void elves now that they got void elves. Funny how that works. Especially considering their popularity.
I’m guessing that jumble of letters is you trying to infer that the Horde races were once enemies of the Elves. Funny how that works, cause just a few rows above you were all for the Horde being Alliance buddies.
But you are not wrong. Orcs, trolls and undead did kill the belfs. So did humans and the Alliance. At least the orcs, undead and tolls were enemies, the Alliance were allies when they tried to EXECUTE THEIR SPECIES.
Learn to spell, guy. Or if you can’t use auto-correct.
And yet here you are writing an essay why people shouldn’t listen to him or take him seriously. So he’s certainly a victim of this pamphlet you created against him. It even has a comic strip. Wow. You really got into it, didn’t you?
And why not take him seriously? He creates some threads which contain issues I happen to agree with, like the gutting of the Horde in the game’s story.
Frankly, boss, the only one who rubs me the wrong way, in this thread is you.
And by the way, defamation isn’t allowed here. He can report your post. In fact I encourage him to do it.
hahaha, of corse dud, and taht why people had point ot many times you ignore or change lore to your naretiv.
yes, we wanted high elfes, not voidn elves, because tehy woud had made sense, since tehy are a long term ally.
and that the nighborn goes to the horde was a descion noboy relay understand because tehy got help from BOTH sides.
was i meant was, the blood evels dint get a major role in the horde, not like in the alliance, they just the same sidekicks for Orcs and undead who get the most screentime of the horde.
At the end, you swich just from a humand to orc sidekick whicht ist a impovment.
(But we will see how midnight tunrs out, suposedly they got focus)
I agree at that, liek somewhre above, nobody wnated them because they come out of thin air and made Blizzards agrument aginst high elves absurd (to few)
yeah, that
sry, english isnt my nativ language, and my free DeepL trial runs out (for translation)
What I wrote was a warning, based on personal experience and in a direct context to what Kurst and Heisae were talking about.
So… you didn’t read my “essay”?
And nobody is preventing you from doing that. Agree with him all you like, it’s a free world. I just felt obligated to say something when he tried to frame himself as the victim and other people as trolls. Srsly, if you don’t believe it, go to the german story forums, look who’s active there on a regular basis and ask them about what happened.
Not only in this thread, it seems.
Is it defamation when I describe personal experiences with him and give context, especially when he calls other people trolls after what he did in the german forums?
Feel free to report me, if anything I wrote here isn’t true and has not happened that way, I’ll gladly take the ban for it.
a warring for all others whap happend in the German story forum which declined because the escapdes of him, people got tired to discus against a stone wall who blatant lies and change narretiv and ignore lore.
I remember the long essay of elfenspalter who piece for piece dismantel the wall of text.
I already offerd the links and contacts, and not olny story forum remember him also the genreal froum and Die aldor (the last) German RP sever.
He has such a bad reputation all over the forum, heck even Horde players were ashamed of him.
yeah, that was also a big issue, the game shoud made after his fanatsies, of a striong horde and the alliance enterly removed, ignoirng what it woud be mean canon wise and consequenzes in RL, he didnt stopp, he spamed it all over to the annoyence of all Forum members.
Oh yeah, dont forgott how often he bypass banns.
and many players point out the rule violations he commited, even link/quote the rules, so yeah, that woud be also a reason and the last straw was the mention bann bypassing- which is guranted a long term bann.
Bordom and to warn people, to prevent a situation like in german forum, and he have a free hand here.
you know the quote: “Never again”
To warn people from that such thing dint repeat
The fact that you play both factions doesn’t make you cosmopolitan. The posts you wrote in this thread show a clear horde bias, doesn’t take a text analyst to see that.
“And one thing I hate is playing Horde and seeing Alliance all around me.” - then maybe don’t play a horde character on Alliance dominated servers like Ravencrest or Silvermoon and swap to something like Tarren Mill?
Also your attempt at trivializing Senti’s message without reading it discredits you.
Why don’t you do an analysis then? If you knew how, that is because I have doubts about that. I spoke out only on the issues of one faction being forced on the other to various degrees. Like how when people think that in Midnight they’ll take over a Horde city. Like how Alliance characters are forced on the WoW player’s experience, like in the current expansion, or Alliance-favoring characters are being integrated in the Horde. That’s bias?
And I am talking about NPCs, genius, not players. Which should be very clear given the context of my post the fact that I’m posting that text on the story forum.
And I trivialized nothing. I have the suspicion you people aren’t used to other people not looking up on you when you post crap about this guy. But I take issue with it.
It is when you go around and tossing your blog post at people talking to this guy. I know who he is, I talked to him. I know how he can be. And I don’t need you coming over into the conversation and shoving a blog at me to discredit this guy. True or not. It’s not your job to police these forums. You had a personal issue with him keep it personal, don’t go around spreading it cause that is, in fact, slander and it’s very much against the rules and the fact that you are still arguing for it rubs me the wrong way even harder, so ok, I will report it. Thank you for your permission.
Yeah as i expected, mobbing up and self policing things and going for personal attacks.
It did seem from start i started reading these forums long back, there is an narratives build and then if you stray away from em you get attacked.
And with Erevien’s case as i said he is impulsive and i dont agree with everything he says or how he puts it out. but there is obvious baits even here trying to make him go more angry and saying things out of place.
So manythings i agree with him on lore perspective too and its obvious that those beliefs are no no in here, it didnt take long for me too to get personal attacks cause i said em out.
Fortunately, this was neither for you nor about you (or your needs).
It’s not about “straying from narratives” or “policing”.
The problem never was what he said, but how (and how often) he said it - people might even have supported him, had he not disturbed others that much. And I’m not attacking him personally - I’m far beyond engaging his stage play directly - I just wanted to give you some context to Kurst’s posts here and act as a “character witness” in a way, basically point out that your “victim” is not as innocent as he likes to portray himself and the people he calls “trolls” were actually his victims once.
Now do what you want with this information, as I said in the beginning, I have no further interest to waste time with this topic.
I don’t know what context you potrayed in your mind, but the talk you jumped in was about “fairness” of each faction getting new races, with the horde player complaining about VE introduction and ignoring the fact they have Nightborne, a race with far better wrought lore and culture.
Your argument “Horde didn’t ask for Nightborne” was irrelevant, because:
the talk wasn’t about what factions asked, it was about what they got;
Alliance didn’t ask for Void Elves either.
And yes, you did trivialize Senti’s “essay” without reading it, otherwise you wouldn’t ask him a question he already answered in his previous message.
VE are still more popular because their model isn’t ugly. Lore doesn’t mean anything when there aren’t any players for them. mechagnomes have the same problem.
You are drunk if you think you got an argument with nb vs velfs. There’s no argument here. First because yeah, the Horde didn’t ask for Horde nelfs. They just got them out of the blue. Second as established as they are they are not such a popular race in the Horde, might be connected tot he fact that nobody asked for them, when velfs are because since belfs were added the helfer group has been trying to take them away from the Horde bit by bit.
See this is why I find you people so annoying. Blizz does you a solid and give you the belf model, you asked for it, don’t say you didn’t because I know, I saw and again I direct you to the MMO champion thread that’s been around for a long time, go see. You wanted the model. You asked for it. Blizz gave it to you and they gave the Horde something they didn’t ask for. But here you are acting like you got cheated out of something with the Horde getting, what you say is a better deal or try to imply it at least, again, when they are less popular than several other races including velfs, and use it as an argument that infers Blizzard has to make it up to you and the Horde should be silent. Very dishonest and frankly obnoxious.
