Ah yes Rexxar “Jaina has gone too far killing six elves after they attacked her, so I will serve a tyrant who commited four separate acts of genocide to stop her” is clearly he voice of reason.
You would not need to survive the war IF SYLVANAS HAD NOT STARTED IT!
I got falsesly accused of a crime. Better destroy the entire police force than try to capture the person who set me up.
I just think this is a textbook example on how Sylvanas is playing people like Evevien for fools.
This explains so much about how she came to power.
I just can’t, I started playing in Thrall’s Horde, looking at all the core values sacrificed on the altar of questionable military pragmatism is just… ugh. No words to describe it.
Basically…
This is my opinion as well.
Damn it, fairy, stop serving her! She wants you dead and can you imagine how your gorgeous hair is going to look like when you’re undead?! 
Save the hair!
The question being “WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU DOING?! ARE YOU INSANE?!”
You’re not alone there, friend. Granted, I started early in Wotlk, but I only really bothered with Horde stuff.
I might resort going to the Blues for a short while. THERE I said it.
I jumped ship after Theramore. It just did not feel like my Horde anymore.
It’s quite sad really, when someone who believed in the Horde’s values in the past, now sees them only within the Alliance 
Sad for the Horde, obviously. The Alliance gets Orig, so we are happy! 
We can always wait until Vanilla to get the proper Horde back.
Garrosh’s rule marked my Horde Adventure’s end as well.
My Horde was about the value… “No matter how dire the battle…”.
Morally black “pragmatism” is just disgusting.
I could accept the “dark pragmatism” of Sylvanas, if she actually ever acted in a pragmatic manner and the Alliance actually threatened the Horde. If you cannot bring those two things, you just end up looking like a malevolent maniac.
Oh the noble alliance have come to defend Drek’thar. Lovely.
The same Alliance that has been trying to conquer Alterac Valley and kill them all since vanilla. Ask the Stormpike clan how much they value Drek’thar and how lovely they all live in peace and quiet.
Keep it up this is pure gold.
So, wait, you actually have someone who fights the Alliance, but does not want to resort to blighting every cradle and town? I am shocked, truly this should not be possible.
I also want to talk about the vile traitor Orgrimmar Doomhammer, who slew Blackhand, costing the Horde a mighty leader, then put his ego before serving Gul’dan, causing a defeat and a divide within the Horde, jeopardizing their very survival!
edit: Yes, Orgrimmar instead of Orgrim is put on purpose. If I am sh*tposting, might as well run the extra mile.
Gul’dan was just pragmatic. The Draenei might have attacked them had they gone…living.
I thought this wasn’t so much treason as them leaving the Horde. I don’t think any faction is forced to be a member of the Horde. Treason would be actively working against your own faction, such as espionage, sabotage, coups or defection.
That’s a weird example if I read your intentions correctly here. Doomhammer also worked with Guldan and let him create the deathknights. He also waged war against the alliance and most likely planned to have all humans killed if he had won, I’m pretty sure he wanted the entire planet for the Horde alone.
If anything, Sylvanas Horde is much more like Doomhammers Horde than anything we had before.
I remember some Forsaken who wanted to leave the Horde. They got executed by Dark Ranger firing squad.
Please don’t even try.
NOBODY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SAURFANG COMING BACK AND DECLARING MAK’GORA. Let him prove it in front of the Horde. Instead he refused on 3 occasions so far to do it. In one case Saurfang himself ADMITTED he is wrong.
Now go and queue for Alterac Valley. For the Honorable Drek’thar. Lmao.
Well, let’s be fair, this bg was consciously left morally dubious ob both sides. The Orcs took empty land, the dwarves wanted to dig there and both sides wouldn’t back down once the conflict started, and both sides were quite happy with having a clean fight. Of course that’s war, but that doesn’t sound that personal. A war where you could respect the other side.
So, vile Vol’jin should have asked for Mak’gora instead of attacking Orgrimmar with the Alliance pigs, jeopardizing the horde?