Hi I just wanted to say don’t listen to the people crying over Dual Spec / Group Tool coming to era, these people have said they were quitting the game ever since boons where implemented yet you’ve seen their warcraftlogs update very week since then.
Dual Spec is welcomed by the majority of the community and this will make PvP more alive, Tanks and Healers classes can finally be useful outside of raids and not be locked to doing 1 thing only. If you don’t like the new change it is very simple you just don’t click on the ‘‘Learn about Dual Specialization’’ and you are good to go 
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These are the same people that took Might of Stormwind away from us #neverforget
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Oh look. Another stupid “Don’t like it? Don’t use it!” post.
Some players will never learn.
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The people who complain about dual spec dont dislike it because of dual spec itself, but because how dual spec changes the way people play the game, which affects everybody, no matter if they “use it” or not.
You could say the same about RDF - if it is in the game 99% of people will use it because they only have an illusion of choice. Who will put together a group from chat when they can just queue up.
The same happens with almost every change.
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The only players that will never learn are those who complain and say they are quitting yet don’t. All talk no action.
How will this change the way they play the game?
Don’t join raids where people want you to have a specific second spec (nobody cares about what second spec you have, judging by how it was in anniversary)
RDF isn’t remotely close to Dual Spec, not even comparable honestly.
All I see is people wanting to enforce their gameplay onto other peoeple. at least with Dual Spec both crowds get to choose their own style.
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The old hardcore “no changes” players pushed to bring back Classic in the first place.
On top of that, the initial community that kept Era alive in its early history also championed a “no changes” mentality.
This is why anybody can have an opinion on all this today - #neverforget.
Also, who are you to speak on behalf of the “majority of the community”? A guy with first ever participation in this forum 8 hours ago? 
Dead internet theory ladies and gentleman - always talking down, always in the “majority." Man, I feel bad for those who are influenced by this crap.
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the classic “Majority welcomes X change” without 0 stats provided xd
sorry guys, but he is right. every big poll / survey has shown that at least 95% of the playerbase is in favour of dual spec being in classic
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Instant Mail would’ve been better.
Unlimited debuff/buff slots would’ve been better.
Allowing stacking x20 consumes instead of x5 would’ve been better (indirectly bigger bags).
Giving us a Guild Bank would’ve been better, well - it would’ve been great at least.
“every big poll/survey” he means reddit with 1000 votes out of 200k playing across both regions xd
it‘s really great and long overdue
Do you understand how polls and statistics work? It’s a honest question. Do you know what a representative sample is?
I have seen at least 3 separate polls about what changes should be brought to “classic+”, on different sites. Dual spac was always on top of the list, with overwhelming support of over 90%. And while yes, classic+ is not the same as Era, it is reasonable to assume large portion of those 90%+ who want it in + don’t mind it in era either.
The largest thread with an expressed disapproval of this change to Era has all of 16 likes. It is nothing compared to threads about dying servers, transfers, patch bugs in Classic which had hundreds of likes and showed something that people genuinely cared enough about to come to the forum and make their voice heard. It really looks to me, as an uninvolved observer (I have no interest in Era) that it is just a vocal minority of die-hard no-changes supporters who protest this.
And just on a personal note, I have been running with reasonably serious guilds and pugs all over Thundrstrike Anniversary server, and I have not once, not once seen a raid leader demanding someone had a specific second spec. Though people do offer it sometime, like “I can switch to healer here for safety” or “I’ll go fury-prot for this trash”. A bunch of us mages even went frost for Emperors once when our tank lost Wbuffs and ignite was ripping off him, so we ran about lobbing frostbolts and freezing bugs like it’s 2006.
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- Did they include players that don’t browse those sites?
- Did they prevent duplicate voting?
Online polls on Reddit/Discord are self-selecting samples; you CAN’T generalize from people who voluntarily clicked a poll - that’s not how it’s done.
And what would it even prove? Classic+ WILL NO MATTER WHAT attract people who want changes. Era attracts people who wants stability - overlap exists but it’s not automatic.
And probably 99% of the player base doesn’t read or are active on the forums to begin with.
The worst part is that I know it’s gonna flop hard; like SoD. It’s like watching teenagers create their first private server and change everything because they think it would be cool….
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Yeah all those complaints are valid, but what I base my opinion on, is that other often mentioned changes are much more contentious. Cosmetic changes, changes to classes, abilities, specs, mechanics, world buffs, shop etc are all with at least a double digit number on each side. Not dual spec though, virtually everyone on all 3 sites agreed that “duh, obviously dual spec should be in”.
And yes, almost all polls in real life have a self selection bias, that’s how polls work. You won’t get the opinion of those who tell the polster to sod off, those who hang up on a phone survey, those who don’t bother voting in elections etc.
Blizzard also did their own poll about what changes people would like to see in Classic, presumably sent out to player accounts at random earlier this year, and now they decided to bring these Anniversary changes to Era. Do you think it may be, at least in part, because of how the Era-playing demographic answered in that poll.
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ah yes “the different sites” well how about you link me those sources. No offence but there are no serious guilds on pve servers. Check the leaderboard.
I really cba to go look for direct links on behalf of a toxic little troll, but it was two massive polls, one on reddit/wowclassic, one on 4chan/vg/ Classic wow general (the two sites couldn’t have more different demographics, afaik they use the name of the other as a mortal insult). And the third is a poll linked here some weeks ago on a twitch stream of one of the biggest wow hardcore streamers (i don’t watch streamers, so I can’t rememebr his name)
Alright, well that’s a good reason to just dismess me than. Yes if you intend to run a Naxx speedrun under 1h on a PvP realm, you might in fact be asked to have a specific offspec ready. Along with various petri pulls, healers drinking mana flasks for regen and having Naxx Bis from GDKP splits that cost you 100k gold or more.
You are right, I was wrong, specific offspec will clearly be asked of an average top 50 classic speedrunner. It is not asked for in DPS CLUB and gnomeboys pug, two top ones under hour runs on PvE, so what do I know.
You know what, screw this, I went looking
https://fresh.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/1036?metric=speed®ion=7
5 out of top 20 are in fact from Thunderstrike, you absolute muppet. When controlling for general population, that’s close to same amount of guilds on PvE and PvP. I know for a fact 2 of those have no hard offspec req, and I sort of doubt Drama or Euphoria have them either, since they are basically normal people guilds who speedrun on the side.
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calls me a troll, yet makes up these polls (which btw only 1000 ppl out of 200k votes on) and calls it the majority xd. newsflash kid, 99% of the playerbase arent ranting on forums or sites like reddit like you are
1 thunderstrike guild in the top 10 is crazy. Blud talking about off spec as if it matters in vanilla when its just 1 rogue, 1 hunter, 1 druid, 1 lock, 26 warriors, 3 mages, shamans/paladins/priests