Getting the dungeon deserter buff by getting kicked from a dungeon when you did nothing wrong is absolutely ridiculous. The people you queued up with could just kick you just for kicks and you’d still get a 30 minute debuff. Who in their right mind would come up with that? People who are innocent are getting punished by your stupid policies. Get rid of this ASAP because it’s ruining LFG.
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The developers, who after many, many iterations had to come up with it after the united community demanded them to do so due massive, rampant abuse of the non-debuffed votekick option in the past.
Proposals so far include but not limited to:
- “Just remove it” The darkest times will come back again. Where players may need to wait hours before their dungeon can start/finish while prio roles can keep requeuing for their desires roles due protections removed.
- “Reduced cooldowns stacking upwards” so that if you aren’t kicked often, it starts with a minor debuff.
- “Reduced cooldowns, stacking downwards” so if you’re in a “good” party, then when they surprisepikachu kick you at the end the cooldown is lower.
- “Warning before Debuff” - When you get removed from dungeon you get a Warning but allows you to requeue, if you get kicked again you get debuffed on subsequent leaves.
- “Add reporting for kicking” - This is akin FF where they investigate if someone is really, really using votekick so often and gets reported for it that often as well. WoW used to do this.
If you have a proper suggestion, you may submit it through the ingame feedback box. If it’s a new or better suggestion I may also add it to my list above :>
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I have to agree with you. Not a new player but as a casual player( returning to WoW from time to time to play Classic and now MoP) I do not have much time to play. I queued to the random dungeons I get kicked half of the time for being low DPS (I guess) since people do the xp run there (a lot of monkeys instance) lol. People playing this game is like opposite friendly to FF14 people. They do not talk even when I say HI. This is not WoW I remember when I was playing 2004 - 2009. Toxic af now. It seems like tanks do most DPS now loool how time have changed.
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For my experience of around 50 dungeons (20-30 on levelling, and 20-30 heroics), i was never kicked, and there was only 2 kicks of other players (as i remeber, 1st time for writing bad things in chat, and 2nd time, for pulling half of the instance before tank). So, if you are kicked “half of the time”, i think it’s something really wrong with you, because statistically it is very low chance, on my experience of only 2 kicks of players in 50 dungeons with randoms.
people who doing such runs doing this in 5/5 premaid groups, formed in LFG chat. They dont queuing for dungeons with random players
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If blizz made it impossible to tell dps stats in dungeons it would stop alot of kicks, most kicks I see are some other player’s dps is a few K below them and getting butt hurt.
Just had a group kick a druid this morning for doing to little damage, I voted no but vote was successful.
After they kicked him one said “how can you do so little dps in HC?” other person replies “its a normal dungeon”…
So three idiots where able to kick someone for playing the game and get the debuff due to their own stupidity, thing is the person that knew it wasn’t a HC obviously voted yes to kick him anyway.
The only way I can deal with this behavior myself is by waiting until next big pull when the tank couldn’t self heal and let them all wipe before leaving the group alive.
It’s the only karma I can put out in the universe to try and balance this crapy system blizz made.
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I’m not sure if they will include that in their future addon ban but it would be interesting.
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to punish many for the actions of a few of course
This wasn’t a problem in cata, so all these arguments are flawed, just a nice thing for abusers to punish other players, you won’t die if someone does 0,1% less damage
In threads like these you’ll find at least these two types of players
- The “I’m barely getting kicked so surely YOU did something wrong” crowd, where they’ll tell you that your experience is invalid because it doesn’t matches theirs
- The “I know this system is flawed but it’s better than people holding the group hostage”, I empathise more with this group that at least they don’t try to tell you that what happened to you isn’t a problem
My anecdotal evidence is the following: I did hundred of dungeons in Cata and witnessed both others getting kicked for valid and invalid reasons (im my mind valid = verbally toxic players, invalid = you died once, you wiped due to a mechanic etc) as well as happening to me, again. What I’ve noticed from this anecdotal (emphasis on being anecdotal) evidence was that more times than not the kick was due to the invaid reasons, I’ve seen people be kicked for dying on a boss, for having 20-30% less DPS (the dungeons were completed successfully), some times for no apparent reason (one time I was kicked in a dungeon after we just successfully killed the first boss with no deaths, me being a tank, nobody said anything in the chat the whole dungeon btw)
To not bore you with more anecdotal evidence, the following is clear: Blizzard at the time of introducing this clearly tried to address a genuine issue, but replaced a toxic system with another. That’s not an issue, as sometimes things turn out differently than you expect, what’s not acceptable is that they haven’t tries to fix this toxic system in the meantime.
It’s clear that they don’t give two rat’s posteriors about fairness and priorising non-toxic behaviours, probably to them it’s more important that the other 4 party members are having a good experience, even if that experience leads in a player being unjustily given the deserter debuff.
Go play other games people, they don’t deserve our money.
I won’t reply to any responses btw, just wanted to give my 2c.
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it’s completely outdated i got kicked on my warrior for no reason i was like doing 2x the damage of others and still got kicked for zero reason whatsoever never spoke wasn’t toxic or anything just playing the game and still got 30 min debuff it’s about time this absurd destructive system was removed and the vote kick system.
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I’m seeing this abused A LOT and for the most ridiculous reasons, I’ve seen people kicked for dying, for falling back behind the group because they were looting, lets wait 10 seconds for them to catch up? nope lets boot them. 9 times out of 10 I’ll vote no and it when it does fail I will tell the person the group that someone voted to kick them. If you wanted to kick someone you better grow a pair and own it
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How do we know that ? There is no proof of your innosence😀
i get kicked for it being my first time in a dungeon, very fair and just system
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Just got kicked in Siege dungeon, cuz literally 4 ppl went afk before start, so after few minutes of waiting I went up to start an event manually, said in chat “stop be afk u can start event” and got kicked afterwards. Ffs what is wrong with ppl
got kicked for going back to help someone who didnt know were they were going
reason why you get deserter is so you cant instantly ruin game experience for another group
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got kicked for dying once during a boss fight after tank didnt taunt boss and 3 ppl with res ability didnt res me.
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why is there no option to report people for abusing this?
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Do you just copy paste this every dungeon deserter conversation post ?
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Did you have actual feedback about it or did you just wanted to say I “copy paste” this?
As this subject returns fairly often I have created it with 3 steps in mind after thorough community input from other players:
- Addressing the OP
- Providing proof of Blizzard stance and their explanation (this is often asked in follow up questions so included)
- Providing common suggestions, after collecting them myself to give the community a good direction for feedback (this is often missed or thinking that I am taking Blizzard’s stance, so included)
In short: It is not deemed abuse to kick for any or no reason. For suggestions please refer to my 1st post about feedback.
Defiance? Disdain? What is this a roleplay? Lol.
I’ve already addressed the part where I actually included community suggestions for concrete attempts to fix the system rather than throw feelings like this post
People have absolutely no idea how bad it can and will get when it just goes poof. Take a look at M+ right now and tell me that is the kind of system you want to have - when a vote fails, people AFK to hold the group hostage, DC to evade the debuff, etc etc.
All things we’ve already addressed with the current VTK system! That it can be improved is a sure thing, that people want it to be removed purely based on emotions is irrational and therefore your post attacking me is weird.
Calling it “Removed from Dungeon” wouldn’t change the fact that you’d still get the same debuff. This is just silly.
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