Dungeon Desserter In Retail WoW - Overused and Abused feature

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I absolutely despise this vote to kick feature in retail wow. In the early days of it being implemented it would only ever be used to kick someone if they were really toxic, completely afk and/or wiping the dungeon constantly. Nowadays players get click happy and vote to kick over very minor things. Reasons I’ve been kicked; Using a level 11 twink on a dragonflight dungeon (was just having fun and they got a quick dungeon?), Pulling a few mobs in Zul Farrak that 1) The tank didn’t even need to tank (the zombies) and 2) doing a boss that at most takes 30 seconds (the alliance at the bottom of the stairs), not knowing the mechanics of a boss and DBM not being good at explaining it (the people I were playing with just spammed pins which didn’t help? - also hate this pin feature.)

Why should I be punished for 30 minutes for everyone elses inpatience? 5-10 minutes fair enough, but 30 seems a bit steep and putting me in the same category as someone who is either afk or being an overall &*!@ to other players just seems unfair.

For me skipping bosses in dungeons sucks the life out of the game and makes it this race to get to max level, I get everyone is entitled to their own different way of playing but do people not think its unfair that I have to wait 30 minutes when we were on the 2nd to last boss?

I do feel there should be a limit to either how often someone can vote to kick or have some sort of appeal process to stop people abusing this feature. I’m not going to stop playing the way I want to play in the same way that the other side of the coin they won’t change the way they play its just they don’t get punished for it.

I’m going to continue to play retail but these are the players I absolutely despise just min/maxing the hell out of everything, being incredibly quick to judge or not trying to be nice or help people. I quit cataclysm classic when that first started as the people on that realm were; homophobic, sexist, racist. And I saw corruption of retail coming into it as that is when retail really began, I gave that expansion another shot at the start but Raid Finder and other features just killed the community and I miss that retail lacks that sense of community about it. Yes my realm is low population but I dont see this being much better on a high population realm (I know dungeon finder is seperate but even in general etc the lack of community is missing).

It just feels unfair when my way of playing the game is seen as the wrong game for what I’ll call the “vote to kick” police. I’ll keep reporting people who are quick to vote to kick over such minor reasons whether that leads to action against their account or not, why should I care if they get punished in some way when its already happening to me anyway?

Not that this page seems to be active at all and I don’t care if you like my point of view or not, feel free to hate on me and see me as the problem I’m beyond caring. I’m open to criticism but this way of playing the game is just not enjoyable or fun.

Now to wait for the “just don’t play then” comments. Feel free to give me your thoughts on this I just feel like the overuse of this feature ruins the game of many people that are either first starting or just want to have a slight bit of fun. Imagine you’ve just started the game and someone kicks you for not knowing the mechanic and you can’t play another dungeon for 30 minutes and you don’t even know the reason why you were kicked?

You know what I’d feel better about it if the feature was transparent and I could at least see either who kicked me and/or the reason they put. Hopefully this post doesn’t get removed but lets see I suppose.

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Could you please provide additional explanation and official numbers to back up your argument?

What is overuse? How overused is it?
What is abuse? How much abuse is there?

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Here you go:

Frequency of Issues:
On Blizzard forums and Reddit, VTK misuse is a recurring topic. Threads with hundreds of comments highlight cases of players being unfairly kicked for minor reasons (e.g., pulling optional bosses, gear choice, or brief disconnects).

Common Themes:

  • Overuse: Kicks for minor infractions like different playstyles or routing.
  • Abuse: Premade groups unfairly removing others for loot or convenience.

Community Scale:
Complaints likely represent a vocal minority. With 1-5% of players engaging in forums, about 15-20% of dungeon-related threads mention VTK frustrations, suggesting notable dissatisfaction among active participants.

Positive Viewpoints:
Supporters argue VTK is essential for managing genuinely disruptive players, though misuse remains a concern.

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And before vote to kick there were issues. Before the deserter buff there were issues.

It may not be perfect but it’s far better than being held hostage by a toxic individual or someone who just wants to afk.

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Without a doubt completely agree with you there! I’m by no means saying to remove the vote to kick feature its just giving it deserter seems extreme but I get it with poeple leaving dungeons early etc.

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I don’t see many topics on the Blizzard forums about this. They are usually very short-lived topics without much agreement. The actual number of so-called unfair kicks can’t be determined by the number of reddit comments. It might be a microscopically small minority.

Kicks for minor infractions like the ones you mentioned are allowed in World of Warcraft. They are not determined as overuse by Blizzard.

Premade groups removing others for loot or convenience is specifically allowed by Blizzard and therefore not abuse.

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I see your point of view but I don’t agree. Your whole argument of ‘by blizzard’ making it right is what I disagree with. Blizzard has been wrong before hence why the desserter buff was put in place because of people leaving early.

I mean the issue with you saying it is a microscopically small minority is either because people can’t be arsed to complain about it just as a very small amount of people leave reviews and part of the issue with the topics being short lived is the people arguing against are likely the types of people to vote to kick someone over very minor things and I’d bet if there was a survey there would be a decent majority that do this.

I know using reddit comments is not a good source but I’m not going to spend time extrapolating stats for you, I’m annoyed about it but don’t want to waste that much time. Where would I even get these stats from?

Just because something is allowed by either the company themselves or ToS or whatever doesn’t make it fair. Hence why I wanted to make a blizz post about to at least have a discussion with others about it :slight_smile:

I will say it is few dungeons I’ve been kicked from but I’d say back in the days of when Cata/WoD were a thing this sort of inpatience happened much less often if at all.

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When it didn’t give deserter to be kicked people would refuse to do anything until you kicked them. Holding the group hostage.

The deserter also keeps you from rejoining the same group, generally speaking.

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Yeah see for those types of issues and people getting pissy or being bad at their role but not willing to admit it such as a tank wiping the whole dungeon consistenly, fair enough.

I mean heck I’d argue just make the desserter cool down either lower such as 10 or so minutes. It just seems unfair to me that I’m getting punished in the same way the people who would hold a group hostage would when I would never play like that.

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When the deserter was shorter (after killing a boss it dropped) more people left dungeons after they’d kill the boss they wanted for loot. So it was changed this expansion to give the full buff.

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No it is needed for trolls who make the group hostage

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Thanks for taking my whole post out of context, I did not once say it wasn’t needed its just the way it used by admittedly some people seems unfair.

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You don’t know why or how many people are holding complaints back. I see a microscopically small amount of complaints, therefore I can assume that the issue is microscopically small. If this was a huge issue, there would be a huge amount of complaints.

As long as Blizzard specifically allows the behavior you have mentioned, it is neither overuse nor abuse, but instead just regular use. If you are unhappy with how a company handles things that are important to you, you should stop supporting that company immediately.

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See I did not know that it used to be shorter, I’ve only really started playing since this expansion after quitting mid way through WoD. Fair enough that it gives the full buff from that point of view of kicking others holding it hostage or being toxic.

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I’ve been playing since TBC although this system didn’t come in until the end of Wrath when they introduced the dungeon finder.

It’s just a simple majority rule. One person nominates another and the other three vote as to whether or not they agree. They even changed it so the quickest option to pick is No, and it takes longer for Yes, to become active.

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Aaand there’s the stop playing the game comment congrats! I enjoy playing the game overall I was just hoping that making this post may bring light to the issue rather than just quitting entirely.

I get what you’re saying as if you don’t like something about a company don’t give them your money etc etc but what difference will just me quitting the game make? 0 difference.

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It will make a difference for you. Unless this issue is so small to you that it doesn’t matter enough to even consider quitting, which would call into question the severity of the issue and therefore the existence of topics such as this one.

You can keep complaining about it, but if you are not going to do anything about it, who cares?

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Yes for me but no one else? I’m not replying to your comments going forward ever since the first comment you’ve left you’ve not actually offered anything useful to the discussion.

Surely complaining about something brings light to the issue but whatever, feel free to come back with something useful to the discussion or do something else with your time. If you don’t care about this as an issue why are you commenting? Who cares?

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You need to look at your own happiness with the game, not the happiness of others. Why do you care if other people agree with you? You will keep playing anyway. You don’t even care enough yourself to actually do something about it, so why would others do something about it? They care just as little as you.

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Yeah I’ve been playing since vanilla and I don’t disagree with the system I just disagree with how admittedly some players use it just because they’re inpatient.

I get its a simple majority rule and clearly with the kicks I’ve had the rest of the party agreed with them rather than me.