Dungeon finder tool is utter garbage

WoW Classic Mists of Pandaria Classic Discussion
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Wotlk Heroics are far too easy to warrant a MMR system like M+ in retail though. Sure, they are buffing them for Heroic+ but not anywhere near the levels of difficulty attainable in current retail, that actually warrants a system to determine someones skill level/ability/competance.

And balancing has never worked for Blizzard, despite how big they were, or are. There are far too many moving parts to Faction, Class and race combos to achieve “balance”. There has always been a meta after every balancing attempt.

You either get a meta shift, or complaints of homogenization of classes and loss of identity.

Before Wotlk Classic, everywhere from Youtube, to blogs, to streamers to LFG chat said: "WOT LUH KER HYPE, Every class and spec is viable, yet a meta is emerging already that will most likely result in classes not being picked or declined on sight.

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I always dread seeing the bots on discord announcing that wowhead has published a new tier list of classes cause I know the sheep will shift the meta for all content based on raid tiering.

This community is the worst sometimes.

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To be fair im not sure how bad the issue of spec/class bias is at the moment, with the supply package healers and tanks get in combination of how many heroics there are I think that everyone is able to get a group for something. At least if you’re on a functioning server.
I think it will be bad for everybody once people are raid geared.

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RDF does take that away. The amount of people who have done dungeons without the dungeon finder on retail can probably be counted on one hand.

Once it is added it becomes practically mandatory.

So if you think it doesn’t take anything away what do you think it adds? Teleportation into the dungeon and removing any necessity of grouping people together? The latter of which is a rather core aspect of MMOs. I don’t mind either of those but the game wouldn’t be better. I’d enjoy the game more if loot/gear/leveling wasn’t a thing and I could just play all classes maxed out

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Retail when?
Post mythic+?
In Cataclysm there was tons of people who refused to use RDF for heroics.
You find your own groups for quests still, you find your own guild still, you PuG your own raids still.
It’s just dungeons. There are like 50+ dungeons in the game.

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idk didnt play RP server so dunno about that cata stuff.

all group quests are soloable in wotlk and not until like cata or mop when all parties can loot same quest objective items when it becomes faster to quest in grp.

raids are just raids, should have LFR aswell. adding m+ to make the content actually relevant is better than making “irrelevant” content even easier

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They’re actually not, they get progressively more difficult to solo.

Yeah I wouldn’t group up for a collection quest either but that actually varies, some quest items are shared and some aren’t.

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That is patently false.

If you are talking about manually forming a group, there are Mythic+ only guilds that have enough regular dungeon runners to never need to pug anyone, ever. Levelling alts is also extremely easy so covering the meta is simple.

For levelling dungeons, sure, nobody manually forms groups but guildies will often queue together. They are also entirely irrelevant, and in fact in some cases worse xp/h than questing/bonus objectives or looting treasures.

I don’t think the argument you are trying to make holds as much water as you believe it does. All the rapid decline in manual dungeons tells me is that, a lot of people never enjoyed manually forming groups to begin with and found it a chore, a necessary evil, an obstacle to their preferred playstyle.

Sure, better xp/h and rewards massively skewed people towards RDF but people consumed far more dungeons after the barrier to entry was removed. If the feature was that terrible it would decline, not increase.

This is the case with retail Heroic dungeons, barely any participation. There is a better and preferred alternative in Mythic 0.

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m+ can not be done with dungeon finder. even queuing as 5 man premade u get bonuses from using the dungeon finder

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made it through dragonblight not needing to gpr for any quest. maybe u need a grp last 5 lvls

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You did that Oathbreaker guy as warrior?

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no. as a dk

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As I am well aware. But every M+ must be manually formed, and noone runs heroics, so why would there be anyone forming groups for content that is not run? 0x0=0.

As I said, there are alternative methods to leveling that are better, faster or more superior than spamming dungeons, which negates any incentive to form a group outside of levelling with friends or guildies.

So when you say;

To which dungeons are you referring?

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Well I think they might be the best at that type of thing

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Automation and a non-discriminatory group creator.

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yeah it’s totally useless, good thing I don’t need anything from hcs

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I think the current LFD-tool is fine. The only thing that I feel could be improved would be:

As a party leader:
Show Class (and spec x/z/y) or at least what role they have associated with their active spec.
Show (if any) potential notes that the applying person has.

Conversely as a potential member:
Show what dungeon the party who os trying to invite me is listed for.
Show if the group also has any notes associated with their listing.

This I feel like would greatly improve the experience for both those creating/joining groups.

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lmaooooo this was gold

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While I’m neutral, the terrible design of the current LFG tool does indeed have me siding with having RDF back.

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I don’t think I’m personally minding the lack of RDF so far. I’ve only needed to run a dungeon 3 times so far (mainly just to make up some XP before moving to the next zone). Every time I’ve been invited to a group within 5 minutes of putting myself into the new LFG tool, and I put brutally honest assessments of my poor gear in the description too.

I also was surprised somewhat. I spent some gold on dual spec, and buying some healing gear from the auction house only to find the first invite, they wanted me as DPS. I totally assumed most would want a healer.

Having said that. I just do not understand the arguments the anti-RDF people are touting. I’ve not seen one so far that actually makes sense (and that isn’t an entirely selfish motive). It really should not hurt anyone to add it.

Basically, it comes down to this. If the majority do not want it, they won’t use it and the status quo will be maintained even if it is introduced. If people DO want it, then this is holding it back from players that want the feature in order to appease the minority. Forcing players to do things a certain way because it’s what the minority want.

The “it’s a retail feature” are also just not making sense to me. The game is right now, based on the game as it was in the final patch 3.3.5. Certain items, raids and dungeons will be restricted. But abilities and user interface should be as they were then. Now, let’s not go into the fact that we have a weird combination of stuff as it was in Burning Crusade (these are bugs which they are soooo slowly fixing they might all be resolved when it’s time for cata) and stuff that is like retail (well, I’m assuming the achievement functionality is how it is on retail? It’s definitely not how it was during wrath retail). If we take the feature-set that was available in the final patch, that includes the RDF functionality. It should be there, and would still be “Wrath of the Lich King: Classic”.

If you want Original classic, there is SoM and Era servers. They do not and should never have RDF installed. They should be feature correct as per the final patch for original classic.

If you want Burning Crusade, well. I guess you’re out of luck. But if they did bring back some Burning Crusafe classic realms again it would be entirely correct to never have RDF on those servers. They again, should be feature correct for the final patch of the expansion.

But for Wrath of the Lich King. It’s really no longer your classic any more if you are so vehemently against the RDF tool. Sorry, but this is Wrath of the Lich King and I don’t really understand Blizzard’s rationale behind the hotch-potch feature set they’ve implemented.

TL;DR I think there should be RDF even though personally I’ve not had a bad experience with the LFG tool.

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