Wrong. TBC introduced balance to this game and stuff to do for the PvP crowd. Arenas i.e. Classic PvE is easy. All the PvE in WoW is easy. Like dummy Pandas PvE wasn’t easy and boring… Ofc it was. The great PvP crowd of WoW was born in TBC. Classic never was nearly good enough or attractive enough for “hardcore mmo crowd” as people say it is. When it was released it was labeled a casual game for the filthy casuals, because that is exactly what WoW Vanilla was back in the day. That is exactly what Classic is. Not even the couple of wannabes and min-maxers make it a hardcore or a challenging game. Black Lotus is irrelevant.
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That is because there is no PvP in classic. Not really. No balance, PvP is awful. The only reason people are queuing BGs en masse is because of the gear. PvP gear is BiS in these phases and will be BiS or almost BiS for the rest of the classic pretty much. Grinding just to get gear is not really being interested or being meaningfully engaged in PvP. And again, too many PvP flasks and eng items. It becomes way better in TBC.
In that regard btw… not only TBC, but also early WoTLK is a far superior expansion to Vanilla, Classic and everything that came after mid-WotLK era. Like PvP Seasons 5-6-7. Because during those times filthy casuals were wearing their PvE gears. While players who were up to the challenges against other players were wearing the PvP gear. Removing those sets… removing the division in general was the biggest mistake in the WoWs history. And the players who were up to the challenge knew it, this is why WoW pretty much died during/after late WotLK. With the Lich King himself. (the damned ICC ring)
There is nothing wrong with engineering/consumables for the PvP in general. The problem only arises, when those are not balanced or there are way too many of them. So that PvP boils down to consumables and not actually playing the class.
Nerf of some potions, narrowing engineering down were the best things that happened to PvP later in general. That being said, there is nothing wrong with shooting rockets or increasing movement speed on boots.
Criminally false. Flask of Supreme Power is bigger than any item, any wbuff, class expertise and any addon.
Believe it or not, it’s not that complicated to spam shadowbolt (or frostbolt).
no it’s not pvp balance MoP had one on the best balance and pve wise all the tier were solid, especially ToT that is in the top 5 of the best raid ever made by blizzard
Exactly. And you don’t need a flask to be able to spam frostbolt/shadowbolt or any other bolt. Hence flasks are completely optional and in no way required.
Mists of Pandaria removed talents (proper talents). Draenor also removed some stats that made a difference, like resilience. PvP was killed off completely.
As for the top raids… it’s subjective. Fighting emotions is stupid, imo. And Pandas in general… I can understand the business decision, but I don’t like pandas in my wow. it is stupid imo.
besides kil’jaeden cunning that was bis for all lock specs, the new talents gave more build buil possibillity than wotlk or cata.
plus the sha thing was on the first tier and not even all the first 3 raid where sha themed, but to know it you should have played the exp, and majorty of the community and the current best 10-20 guild in the world largely agree that the raids where all extremely good.
wod pvp was actually good becouse you had pvp power that invalidated finally the usage of pve trinkets in pvp
Yeah, around 3 mil subs didn’t agree right away and stopped playing after WoTLK… and it got worse and worse up to the end of MoP. So, yeah, some people loved it, nobody is judging them. To each their own. That being said… by the time you had all of your MoP raids ~50% diasgreed by leaving the game. I mean… some people genuinely enjoy BfA boring and silly timegating design, who are we to judge them?
I actually lvled a goblin mage during WoD on this very account. Not even any other account. And I pvped using that goblin mage… So yeah pvp was total bs. Just awful. We came back to check WoD out, saw that is was crap and left again. No talents, no resilince, just bs.
Just to add some context. I was playing a mage pvping a lot (primarily) and sometimes pved in BC, WoTLK, a bit during Cata. Arcane for fun and Frost to climb. So, please, do not tell me that Mages were more interesting and versatile to play during WoD. They weren’t, pvp system was terrible.
ok keep beleving that choosin betwen 2% more wand damage or 2% armor based on your int is a relevant or important choice idc
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ok keep beleving that choosin betwen 2% more wand damage or 2% armor based on your int is a relevant or important choice idc
yep becouse those 3 mil were used to wotlk braindead content and they wined for weeks becouse in cata heroic you actually had to play, especially healers when spell cost changed by a flat amount to mana % instead.
Plus 90% of this people are casuals, i dont care if those people have left
Did it really? It was the same after the math was done the best talent was identified for all bosses or against arena setups.
But what has disappeared with the old talent trees were the real spec diversity. Just look up how many different mage builds exsisted during wotlk, or how many frost dk builds during cata all of that was gutted come mop.
On topic: Flask are superflous, but it’s kind of annyoing that i would have to pony up 400g+ to get a trinket that is just a glorified dueling meme.
Spamming bolts is not optional. If you won’t, you’ll get nowhere in the game. So, not everything is optional. But flasks are. Point is, stop consuming flasks like crazed junkos for no good reasons and the prices will go down and the bots will do the next best thing instead.
This here tells me that you didn’t play during BC and early WoTLK.
Casuals stayed, because the game was tailored more and more towards casuals. Hardcore PvP crowd left, but you can’t seem to wrap your head around that. And they left, because they didn’t want to do Heroics in WoTLK, because it was a braindead waste of time. To get that ICC ring, which was BiS for any character for no good reason. Release of the ICC ring was the day the gearing for PvP died in WoW. Btw did you know that there were Heroic Raids during WoTLK too? heh.
If you really believe that PvE in WoW is challenging - you’re either a casual or a speedrunner to get the WF. But speedrunning and getting WF are artificial challenges. Good PvP wasn’t artificial.
no, i was only in the only guild in mine country that beated M’uru pre-nerf, obviously i did not played it son.
nope causals left and en masse, harder 5 man, casuals guilds decided to go more serious on progression thanks to 10 man giving the same rewards as 25 players.
Guess why pirate server became popular? due of all the baddies that leaved in tears when no one wanted to play with them.
But seein how much you are sperging for the rep ring it seems you where one of them.
I will leave it here becouse is no even funny arguing with someone that knows so litle
soon layer is gone and server is still locked, gotta be nice with 500-1000g lotus