I would probably hop in a discussion, but we had this back and forth already.
If you like it - cool. Do not tell others what they should and should not like. Tyvm.
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I dont quite get the point of the cinematic, , its obviously a lot of work, but shouldent that effort be spend on things people enjoy seeing, or which leaves one pumped in some way or another?
For the supposed target group, people who want to see Tyrande survive no matter what, defaulting her character to pre bfa, rather then go out in a blaze of glory. I suppose those kinds of people are probably very happy.
But it just does not resonate with me, i dont get why this couldent just have been made with a tenth of this effort in the in game engine, with cinematic focus placed on something i assume people would like to see.
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Honestly, Night Elves are just a reminder for other races why it’s good to stay in the background at this point. The current story team is for the trash can lol.
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There should be a petition to follow Azshara instead.
Um… no.
As sub time runs out, I’ll definitely miss the community. It’s been a fun ride though, with many fun people. So, there are some good memories to keep and maybe even chat with some people later / elsewhere.
Yeah, except souls in Gorgoa and during Limbo quest talking how much in pain they are and suffocating as last memories.
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For a while mantra of the devs is “wait and see” (all while we have no deadline for when exactly the suggested events will happen), and “you do not see bigger picture”.
Such “us vs. them” approach plagued the gameplay, some is a problem with the story, same seems to be a problem internally.
Seems to be a popular sentiment lately.
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It’s been fun, Chrono, a pleasure chatting with you always.
I am also unsubbed but I hope we chat again sometime! Have fun in your life/gaming adventures 
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I already knew that, i am night elf… just finally confirmed openly by Elune herself.
I can honestly say, that I would kill to have this spotlight set on fixing ANY of the current Forsaken issues.
I’m not expecting people to rejoice and celebrate this development.
But I find quite distasteful the sort of response that has certain players keep on doomsaying regardless of what Blizzard attempts to fix for them.
You find this insufficient? Fine.
Is the story a train wreck at the moment? Agreed.
Was this still an attempt at mending some of the issues? Definitely.
Blizzard has made blatant efforts aimed at trying to make it up for the Night elves.
Make them feel powerful again:
Have them be active agents of the story:
And even have them get some cathartic moments, either in war:
Or now saving the afterlife:
Now, I ask again, compare it with any of the other races that were wronged by the story. What sort of catharsis did they get?
For the Horde specifically, what sort of “feel good moment” did the Forsaken get after being blatantly used as a villain, lose their leader and lose their home? What did the Zandalari get out of the death of their King and the raid of their city?
What did Orcs get out of Siege of Orgrimmar and now Saurfang’s death?
What did Worgen get after 12 YEARS after losing Gilneas?
Again, i’m NOT saying this is great storytelling. I’m not even saying its GOOD.
But it’s certainly BETTER than what the rest of narrative elements are having.
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I don’t care that the rest of races do have. I got the ending of Garroshs and as a big orc fan I can say that I’m quite satisfied with this little scene one of my favorite Orc characters. Luckily it was written by a nobody at Blizzard, so that the lead story writers had more time for “important” plots. In my opinion the amount of good stuff doesn’t outshine the amount of bad stuff which came as response.
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Given that’s the case, and apparently nothing Blizzard does will ever suffice in order to make it up, then at this point the path going onward is clear: Stop trying to make amendments for said bits and focus on the other races instead.
Because apparently if +6 cinematics later, peppered over several patches of content, and an overarching plot destined to highlight the importance of the NE leader and her race, isn’t enough to counter an event that mimicked that which happened to several other races (Gnomeregan, Silvermoon, Gilneas, Undercity, Draenor,…), then writers might as well just stop trying.
I can assure you again, that i would gladly take but a fraction of the attention highlighted in my post above in order to fix other races story.
If NEs think this is having it bad, hope Blizzard switches them with the Forsaken, and have them face said loss but without ANY of the above.
Only but 2 meagre displays of how their leader proclaims they are nothing, and their top commander is used as fodder to be humilliated and showcase how “awesome” his enemy is.
PS: And about the “I don’t care about what happens to other races”. Well, you did say that it was better for them to NOT have any of the stuff i highlighted in my previous post.
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Well, if you believe that this would be better. Orc spotlight in BfA showed that it isn’t worth it. Saurfang should’ve died in a Mak’gorah at the end of Teldrassil. His end was enough to make an opinion. All attention anyone gets to this time is poison.
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There was no Orc spotlight in BfA.
Blizzard made extra efforts to distance Saurfangs personal trip from any Orc/Horde business.
To the point that he refused to tag along fellow Horde members, and instead opted to do so with the Alliance King.
And near the end, he literally went for “The Horde and the orcs have always been trash”.
That’s about as far as they could take the character to have it distanced from the race without having the hand of God drop from the sky to race-change him.
If you honestly think this sort of attention is poison:
Then by all means, I’ll welcome it gladly for the Forsaken.
If you want to compare, just take a look at this cinematic:
And weight what it signalled from a Forsaken and NE point of view.
NE: “Look at how easily we defeat the Forsaken”.
Forsaken: “Look at how easily our champion is defeated by NE”.
Quite telling.
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Zarao ignores everything else that happened in between, the context of these situations and points only to the cinemas, although in the same breath cinemas appeared A) of better quality and B) that highlighted the horde in any way.
But well, let’s not go there.
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How did they distance Saurfang from Orc business? He had the support of the last remaining Orc character which have at least something to say, Thrall and Eitrigg. That’s what I’m talking about. What you get as race spotlight is something like this, you may not see it but it can be considered probably as bad as the stuff nelves got. The things you linked are just a small compensation for things which happened in WoT. It’s nice that she managed to kill Nathanos and that he didn’t end up where he actually wanted, but all this vengeance plotline went to nowhere. What did they got outside of a plagued Darkshore and the head of Nathanos? A goddess who admitted that she willingly sacrificed them while being too stupid to think what might went wrong in the SL? The goddess their race worshipped since the beginning of their origin?
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I don’t understand how anyone could possibly see this as good writing, its so off the deep end at this point all I can do is just laugh
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Well. I’ll never give Night Elf fans crap ever again Jesus.
Lost their Capital and entire starter zone.
Lost a ton of their people.
Lost their goddess who let her people die to pay for her sister’s energy bill.
And now Tyrande is just ‘okay’ with the fact the genocide happened because Elune greenlit it.
The only real “hope” left is that Maiev goes crazy when she hears about this and goes off to free Illidan and Sargeras so they can kill Elune together.
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When they made his narrative arch less to do with the orc people, and more to do with the particular view on things this character had.
We could’ve switched his race for a Tauren, and the beats and overall story would’ve remained exactly the same.
The race of the character involved did nothing to the arch the character presented. Nor did it impact in any significant way his actions or the repercussions they had.
We even had additional distancing near the end of it, when he compared the Orc and Horde situation with that of a dark path that was wrong in its inception.
Nothing about his actions did anything to nurture or develop any orc narrative.
The Orc race as a whole, got nothing out of BfA. Saurfang arch did nothing to further ANY Orc narrative.
It was an arch dedicated to him alone, and his own motives.
His race was irrelevant to it all.
Them being “insufficient” is irrelevant (and debatable), to the point being made that they were indeed getting something out of it.
Again I ask, can you compare their situation with say, the Forsaken one? What did THEY get as compensation for losing their home, lands, and leaders?
Again I repeat, that this whole stance that discards any attempt at compensating as negative, is doubly aggravating.
You are basically crying about not getting enough, while those around you get nothing.
And I’ll repeat yet again: Many, many races would kill to have the spotlight NEs had.
Because as of now, the only response Forsaken in particular had to their own BfA debacle, was to have their general used as sacrificial lamb to display how “cool” Tyrande was.
And nothing regarding what will they do now that they are effectively leader and homeless.
I’ll repeat, if all of this:
Is to be met with this attitude, let’s just put NE on equal footing as say Worgen, Darkspear or Forsaken in terms of narrative attention after their slights, and use said time to help those that dearly need said spotlight.
Stop trying to appease those that keep on demanding more and more while the rest get nothing.
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It’s Blizzards way to hit the brakes with any story that got out of hand.
In BfA we outright kill a Sunreaver that wanted to have Jaina pay for what she did to his people. And Talanji grew an overnight sense of compassion that halted her hand in terms of prosecuting those that raided her city and killed her father (having the latter effectively get away Scott free of it all).
But hey, at least they didn’t have Tyrande downright excuse and validate said deaths as the had Baine do with those of Taurajo.
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Yikes.
That was really close, yeah.
But at least she is more in the line of “Let’s pardon” and less on the “My people had it coming”.