Essences and alts?

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I like the new essence system like i liked the artifact system, but there is a problem with it, alts, for artifacts, the power could have been split between all the specs so if you wanted to switch spec it would have been far easier, with the new essence, there is a slightly different but just as bad if not worse problem, which is, why aren’t essences account bound? Do i seriously have to grind them on all of my characters to have some fun with my alts?

Are we gonna repeat the same mistakes of the past for the sake of increasing played time? Are we really gonna go that way? Again?

Why is every expansion only fun during the last few months? In legion everyone complained about leggos grind, and then at the end of the expansion you finally made something to reduce the problem, are you gonna do the same this time?

I am really tired of this.

I bet most people would be much more likely to enjoy the systems you create if you made them just a bit more alt friendly, because that’s the biggest problem with them, if you want to play your alts you have to grind all this stuff, by the time you finish, you might have already stopped enjoying it because it was just too much, or you might have given up before getting to that point, and just use 1 or 2 characters at max.

So yea, can we have these things account bound? I personally think ap should be account bound too.

Anyway this needs to stop, if you want to make these systems, which i personally like, make them more alt friendly.

And also, stop removing the things you create expansion by expansion, improve them but do not remove them, why does every expansion need to exist in a vacuum? It’s dumb.

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I’m not sure why they keep making such alt unfriendly decisions. I dont know if its to make it more hard work for the world first race.

It’s enough work getting everything unlocked on my main. I cant see me doing that for alts.

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Wanting you to play an alt to gear it. How dare they.

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Another painfully stupid reply…

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not sure about AP, since you could farm it with multi chars then but yeah making essences account bound makes sense.

doing mythic raids, and having to farm rank 3 of 3 essences for each alt really isnt fun, hence why Ill be going back to my DK.

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This really, my usable playtime is around 2 hours most evenings and a bit more at weekends where I still enjoy m+. After this patch dropped I haven’t logged a single alt or done anything I enjoy in game and still 2-3 days away from revered etc + levelling essences all of which has been done through world questing which I really can’t abide.

I simply cannot imagine going through any of this on alts, not for a long time anyway. Its become a real chore to play the parts of the game I like.

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Account-wide catch up? Yes.

Straight up account-wide essences? No.

Next thing you know, you’ll ask for raids to drop universal tokens for every slot so that you can just raid mythic on your main and funnel the gear on your alts, all while arguing that you’ve done it on your main, why should you bother doing the same on your alt.

Essences are pretty straightforward anyway, unlike legiondaries, which were completely random. It’s just that some require pretty extensive grind, like the Blood of the Enemy and perhaps the level of HoA itself, but there’s a catch-up going on for that… But nothing random - hence why I think there should be a catch-up, or shortcut if you will, but not straight up account-wide.

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Do you know what Reductio ad Absurdum is?

I agree account wide essences is wrong, you should have to farm level one on each character if you want it active on that character however levels should be account wide. I’ve got 8 120s but I can only play 2 (barely) because I don’t have the time to grind for each of them.

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Do you know what slippery slope is?

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And what, may I ask, would ruin the game for you so much? If essences are account wide, why would that make the game unpleasant for you? You seem to take a very cut and dry stance against it, and made me curious as to your elite vehemence ( name checks out, but still ). It is still me, the same player. I have DONE it, me, what is it to you that I need not do it a thousand times again for every single class I want to play?

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In the spirit of debating etiquette, do you know what “assuming” is? :smile:

I’ll skip the comments about me being some sort of elitist and get right to my argument - it’s different characters and the essences are enhancing their performance.
Which is the main difference when you compare it to what IS acc-wide - mounts, pets, transmog and achievements.

None of which affects your character’s performance.

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Yeah, but it’s not really the same thing is it?

You’re pushing that argument to an absurd extreme and using the result as a logical argument, which it simply isn’t.

Yes, that’s the point. I want my alts at a reasonable level so I don’t feel like a training dummy when I get bored of playing my main thanks to Blizzard’s epic class design in BFA.

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Can’t agree more. I haven’t even played my main since patch because realizing i can’t play my altd properly without putting in weeks of farming stuff i usually don’t do on them instantly killed wow for me.

I have arena only alts with what i play different comps with different people. This is impossible now.

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It is.

People would then ask for more and more account wide stuff - “since we got X, why can’t we have Y while we’re at it”

Again, catch-up is one thing, parallel account-wide power gain is something completely different.

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Gearing is one thing, having to jump through all the hoop requirements for Essences is quite another.

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If it was account bounds your alts would be too powerful too fast as opposed to having to grind on alts. There needs to be a middle ground. Make the unlocks eaier on alts, a rep bonus mop style, reduction of honor required etc

Most essences don’t power up hugely between ranks, some do though.

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No they won’t?

This argument could be used to dismiss absolutely anything and it’s entirely based on your ability to see the future so I’m going to have to disregard it.

This would almost be solid if benthic gear wasn’t already doing the same thing. There is no reason for a minor performance boost to be locked behind weeks of grinding which you’ve already done.

It’s the problem with grinding to unlock heart levels just so you can have the same azerite traits on gear that’s a slight ilvl improvement.

It just feeds into the /played metric which is pretty nauseating.

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You know you can only send the tokens that turn into 385 ilvl gear and in order to upgrade it, you need to play the character… yes?

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Yeah, the Paladin I haven’t played at all appreciated the free BoD normal gear for being logged out in Boralus for 8 months.

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So you admit it’s nothing like putting a character you don’t play up to current level of progression, good :ok_hand:

Btw you might want to check the ilevels of other rewards once season 3 starts, it will make the basic benthic gear a little less relevant. :wink:
Just to give you a hint, heroic dungeons drop 385.