I’m confused at what needs to be addressed, so because some classes are played more than others now every class needs BL and CR? This is a nothing-burger fix, as, let’s say that this was actually the issue as to why these classes are played more, then the problem would simply change to another piece of utility and then every class would also need that.
Regardless, there are so many factors as to why certain classes are played more. Community perception, DPS/HPS output, utility, raid / group buffs, AOE stops, theme, how old it is, etc etc.
The graphs you listed do not show the meta. 2k rating, especially in TWW, for sure as anything won’t tell you what the meta is seeing as if you can breathe and press buttons then you’re already 80% of the way to getting 2k. Literally just look at raider. io and you’ll see what classes / specs are the ‘meta’, and they aren’t there due to BL or CR
They’re not played more. Pretty sure there’s more DHs than Evokers. The issue is that they’re not getting into groups.
The graphs you listed do not show the meta.
You’re right, if I went higher than 2K it would probably be even more extreme.
Regardless, there are so many factors as to why certain classes are played more. Community perception, DPS/HPS output, utility, raid / group buffs, AOE stops, theme, how old it is, etc etc.
It’s DPS output and what they bring to the group. Every group wants lust so every group is going to have a Mage or Shaman or Evoker if they can help it. Combat rezzes are, again, very good to have. Then you have raw damage, where once again you have classes like Shaman doing very well in addition to having the best buff in the game. And a ranged kick and mastery buff on top.
So your issue is the occasional community brain rot when it comes to lfg and tuning, then? Because if your issue is with tuning and wanting some specs to have better / different utility options then you’d probably have more people agreeing with you. Ripping out ‘give every spec BL and CR’ is crazy + a nothing-burger fix.
Yes, and if you carried on reading my post, it has nothing to do with CRs and BLs. Yeah, they help, but so many different specs n classes have them, they’re not a unique thing that makes or breaks a spec getting invited to a group or being in the meta.
Plenty groups end up 4/5 with no Lust and will take a class way below their rating for it. So it would help plenty, as it gives a chance to those underplayed specs to fill that spot.
What you refuse to understand is that right now people are holding out spots for Lust classes. Every group has a guaranteed spot for a lust class. By homogenising that they no longer belong to a select few classes.
I think when you boil it down, I think the OP like a lot of us just wants a fair chance at getting in keys. The “meta” is killing M+ and DPS classes that have a lust just win out. That is a unfair for classes that dont havea lust/rez.
Its very easy to just dismiss the issue and say its X,Y,Z but all of us at one point have faced the task of having to reroll as were told your class just isnt viable, so you face having to reroll to a “meta” class or just suck it up and run your own key.
I never understood the ‘run your own key’ arguments, mostly because if you look at the math, they’re nonsense. Even if I could always time keys I have an 1/8 chance to get the dungeon I actually want and then like a 20% chance to get loot at the end, and then like a 20% chance to get that trinket I want. This all assuming you don’t bork the key. You’re looking at maybe 100 runs to get your BIS trinket if you only run your own keys.
But thats the thing, in times not so long ago. You could run your own key to “prop” your rio score and Ilvl to THEN get into other keys. The issue now is that the dungon pool and the “meta” is so off that your just plain out of luck. A DH trying to get into ANYTHING pug related above a 7 is just like winning the loto at this point… And getting into a GB is just crazy 3 of our BIS comes from there and not only are you fighting all other dps your fighting ppl with lust ect
Instead of giving bloodlust to more classes I’d like to see more bloodlust-like abilities.
Something that gives Crit, Mastery or Versatility for the same duration and gives the same fatigued/exhaustion/sated-etc debuff.
Personally I think that would be more fun. Different groups and encounters might prefer one over the other but you would at least have something so you are not missing out.
If we are lucky it could result in different compilations depending on which buff they have.
So while there is always gonna be a meta group there might be groups that perform almost as well but with another completely different set of specs/classes.
So even if you don’t play the meta there will be a group comp that will favour you over that meta shaman for example because you fit their puzzle better.
I understand your point but the thing is that’s how game works, they tried to homogenize every single class back in mop giving off utilities and similiar gameplay features like apples to all, to the point when warlock, the immobile caster had ability to cast on the move. They backed down on it because classes started to use identity, and they won’t begin doing again because community’s perception on it wasn’t great.
So play Vengeance since its built into ur class, reroll or or OR make some friends but u obviously don’t seem like someone people want to be around for long so not surprised thats not an option
Some mfers are always trying to ice skate uphill then cry about it
Cheap trolling from a goofy guy posting on an alt.
Having one button you press every 10 minutes is NOT homogenisation. Homogenisation is having the same type of gameplay. When Havoc has a 20 button opener compared to other specs having half of that, there’s 0% chance of homogenisation.
If we talking about giving players a different version of BLOODLUST for their class
for example paladin will buff whole group with some kind of HOLY LIGHT buff but not 30% haste but something else i would agree.
but lust on paladin doesn’t make sence just as bubble doesn’t make sence for shaman.
Can’t believe you are still here whining like a little baby, crying in front of the class like this. How embarrassing. Will check again in a week to see if your tears have run dry or if you get BL in the meantime.
I like how paladins, the most homogenised class, who randomly got cr and kick few years ago for 0 reason now say “we dont want homogenised classes”. Pathetic.
Bl and cr should never be the reason why good enough player is not being taken to a group. Those who deny it had never waited in queue for several hours being declined over and over, even when you’ve completed this key and have enough gear.
The fact that some classes dont have bl/cr has far more impact in practice than the fact that it makes the game less homogenised. Retail is already homogenised, but still has still has these stupid limitations which make gaming experience bad.
These abilities are too important for a group and should not be tied to lucky classes.
Solutions:
remove cr and bl completely or disable in m+ but make mechanics less punishing to compensate.
make drums and engineering cr devices be the same as bl with same haste % and cr without clunky melee range 1 year cast time thing.
give all tanks bl and all healers cr. Tank with bl can decide how big he can pull to optimise route.
Question to lore/fantasy lovers: why dont warriors who have bloodthirst and bloodbath abilities dont have bloodlust, even personal one? To make the game less homogenised, cause hunters and evokers already have bl (for no reason)? People gonna unsub because too much bls?
A cursory glance at your achievements says you don’t ( said glance actually says you haven’t actually done anything on Mythic, let alone M+ ), but by all means, post on your main, maybe I’m wrong.
As I said before, you sir are a clown.
Hey, I’m not the one pretending to be an edgy tough guy on a lvl 10 alt while ( probably ) lying about my credentials.
