From what I’ve seen, the win rate of alliance pugs has gone up since most of the premades stopped trying to exploit after it became harder to pull it off.
Plenty of valid points made. You’re just too pig-headed caused by the trauma of dying in phase 2, like an evil child villain promising revenge against the whole world.
“It’s not me, it’s the world that’s wrong!!”
And then you rage quit.
-The end-
It’s far from a lie. Plenty of Alliance players have complained about it. The only ones that benefitted were those that met the criteria to join the premades. I also never mentioned wsg so you appear to be just making things up.
Ok I opened this thread with an open mind and thought it might be interesting. Two sentences in you mention “i was the leader of XRR blah blah blah”, instantly lost all interest. It’s boring, you’re a stuck record and it brings nothing to the argument, a tip if you want people to take you seriously; stop mentioning it.
To be fair to the horde, whilst they do have exploits in WSG, two in particular that leaves the person who does said exploit both untargetable and out of LOS, so do alliance have “exploits” and terrain jumps.
The only ones that should be discouraged are the ones that create a unfair advantage, for example the ones I mentioned. I’m not sure if there are any similar on alliance side as I play with casuals, we probably don’t know half the tricks there are lol.
Either way, they’ve been in the game since vanilla. Have plenty of friends who corroborated this with me when it happened in my games. Basically just a case of “put up or shut up” I think, and if you come up against a premade who does it, report the guy doing it anyways.
You’re arguing against a guy who wants to pvp in his pve spec… he is the literal embodiment of a pve pvp’r… I’m not saying he is unskilled in any way shape or form… but I do find it kinda funny when pve spec’d people give out they cant pvp efficiently.
And the overall win rate from pugs has gone up… we used to loose every. Single. Bloody. One. When we started 10v40 because of que droppers who didn’t get the right AV, to only loosing three quarters of them. What has happened is the premade cancer players have suddenly stopped winning 70% plus of their games and now that the boot is on the other foot they refuse to adapt…
Such beautiful zero value post. You can upgrade it by defining what points said here werent valid.
if that pve pvp’r commend is directed at me, im still top 5 on all avs, even tho im pve build and I walk into 1vs3 fights casually to focus healers. stop trying to make arguments that are invalid by definition and changing the subject. I have never seen allies walljump into the horde base, because obviously, its not even required for us to use any cheese abuses like that, considering that we can just ride in thru the main entrance no problem. meanwhile, horde always has 5-10 ppl that beeline to the wall jump spot to backdoor our base every single match
/popcorn
Whoopy can’t faceroll in AV Premade, so he cry.
Git gud ma boy.
ok hordes, plz do this experiment, ok?
enter an av, and just watch the map for the first 5 mins. I guarantee that u will see at least 5 of ur teammates backdooring dul balder every single match
now, I guarantee that u wont see allies backdooring ur base even once per 20 matches
u poor, poor summer child. I was engineering in phase 2, so i was killing hordes lvl 60 when I was lvl 45 with my death ray, upside of being a rogue. plz make valid points instead of ur bad personal attacks, and start posting with ur classic character, which is obviously horde @beware
I can’t help but wonder if there’s also some day/night thing affecting the teams. I don’t often play during the day but over the weekend I did and lost two AVs to the Alliance but back to winning in the evening. Even against Russian teams which tend to be better organised. I can only hazard a guess that the more experienced players may log in after work. Tbh on my hunter I’ve moved a bit away from the advised pvp spec just to try things out. So far so good! lol.
Adaption as you say is key. Even now it seems very alien to defend SHGY when I’ve spent so many years skipping it in the TBC> map. You change tactic based on what you’re presented with and far too many just choose to bemoan the classic setup rather than seeking to overcome it.
Rules for thee, not for me. Yes, fix all jump exploits, but god damn you are a such a hypocrite.
Horde player base is dad gamers and min maxer streamer kiddies.
Alliance player base is an even age spread of casual type players…
It’s how it was in vanilla as well.
When the older player base comes online it looses some of its edge and reflex but gains a whole pile of cohesion. You know when your against the edgelord horde or the daddy horde to be fair. You can beat daddy horde 1v1 but there’s always 3-4 right down on you instantly… edgelord horde stun locks/fear locks you to death, but they’re nearly always solo.
I’m not so sure about the mix back in Vanilla. I found Alliance was filled with the kiddies (minus the streaming bit). That said, my now brother in-law played Alliance and back then I rolled Horde at a chance to kill him and the Horde races just looked far more interesting from a RPG perspective. I knew nothing of racials and cared even less.
I can’t comment what it’s like Ally side in classic but for me I find there’s much better communication Horde side than years back. More often than not it appears that the majority of team members in a BG have a fair bit of experience of them. Circa TBC I had chars parked at a few twink brackets and usually there were 5 of us queuing together rather than a full premade, especially for WSG. We often met the same 5 man Ally group from our realm doing the same thing.
You do realise that we alliance have a trinket called “Recall” that can defend our AV base? 
But nobody wants to use it… because “Hur-duh, turtling”
Funny thing, played decent amount of WSG and I have seen alliance use all of these exploits frequently, while only once have I seen a horde do it( a pug). Our team encouraged the player not to do it and he even complied
You can be sure tough, that 100% alliance is at least as bad as horde in this. Its a PLAYER problem and NOT a faction problem.
Horde in vanilla was 13-17 year old edge lords playing undead, and 23+ Post college stoners playing troll and Tauren. Alliance tended to be the 18-23 straight up college heads bracket for the most part and female NE were the most common class played with human female close second.
That is a very blanket statement with very obvious deviation on those brackets. But I remember reading the demograph/age/race break down once before and was like ya… makes sense.
All negative and unconstructive posts without any sort of arguments are coming from Horde players.
Surprised I am not.
It’s the easiest thing in the world to deny an argument when you don’t go into the reasons why it’s not a valid argument.
The problem with the players defending the Alliance premades is that they have no ground to stand on. So every time they try to refute, they end up relying on sophistry every. single. time. as well as straw man argumentation.
So yeah, your “without any sort of arguments” is literally an argument without substance. You need to point out why you think so, and reveal the flawed logic you’re relying on, or else your post is meaningless.
Your absolutely right Grizzel but I like to create faction drama.
But ye if you see Alliance doing it you should report.
Absolute hogwash. I’ve played both Horde and Alliance at different brackets and I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is mainly Horde players who abuse the terrain mainly the short cut by the Horde portal and the wall jump up above their tunnel. I’ve seen some Alliance players using the GY jump but no where near as often as Horde who are pretty much doing it every game usually when they are getting stomped and want to draw out the game for an hour because they are actually too bad to win the game in the first place and this isn’t just pre mades it’s pugs too.
This Horde logic truly is truly astounding. AV pre mades is an exploit, horde can’t do it so get rid of it!
Well what about terrain abuse is that not also an exploit? Well both sides can do this so it’s absolutely fine.
Get real. As I said when Horde was crying into their corn flakes about AV pre mades they only care if an issue is affecting them more than the other faction.