Exploits in WSG Premades & Horde favoritism

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Exploits in WSG Premades.

Hey there, Whoopy here, the creator of XRR AV premade that stomped Horde hard (in 6 min games) and made them complain on forums (Horde Tears).

I’d like you all to ponder this thought.

Your WSG premade stomps 90% of the enemy faction, PUGs flee in terror as you ride towards them, enemy Premades get anhiliated and then there are a group of sore loosers who decide to use terrain exploits to prolong the game because they are too trash to win.

Sound familar?

Not all Horde are Terrain abusers but the majority of Terrain abusers are Horde.

The exploits in WSG include:

Horde bug jumps:
Jumping above their tunnel onto tunnel roof
Shortcut near horde portal
Sawmill jump
Wagon jump
Horde slowfalling from horde GY to leaf hut roof
Alliance side:
Shortcut jump @ alliance graveyard
Safespot @ alliance roof from the hut in banana
Safespot on berserker hut @ alliance side
Safespot on top of alliance exit portal

Hang on?!?! lets talk about the old AV meta.

Before a Horde player gets the chance to reply with the “Discord AV Premade is a exploit” line let me remind you of some actual facts.

Premade AV’S where not an exploit. It was organisation within the game mechanics. The only action players took was coordinating their queue pops and using a discord server to communicate over voice comms.

In comparison using Terrain bugs has been well documented through out the history of WOW as a severe exploit that was at its peak in WOTLK due to underground mining.

Ever since the AV nerf came it didn’t take long for the Horde to start complaiing about WSG premades demanding match making changes. Some even demanded that WSG premades should be banned.

Horde where stomped in AV before Blizzard stepped in to give Horde their divine right of ZUG ZUG and unorganised chaos was restored because zero IQ play is what Classic PvP is all about right?? Now we have WSG exploits & the AV back door to restore fairness to the Horde.

Gz Blizz social justice at its finest.

Now back onto WSG & Social Justice for the Horde!

Trash Horde players are given the advantage mean while any alliance Druid that dares to try and climb the wall to their Graveyard is given a temporary ban!
That is fair surely.

We need to remember through that the vast majority of Horde players are Roleplayers who believe that they have the divine right to win BG’s just by clicikng the Horde faction Icon. No skill or min-maxing needed. When Alliance start to win BG’s they are moving out of character and this is not allowed.

Don’t worry! All Alliance players can go back to retail and get free Epics. Wait a minute it isn’t any different in WOW-Classic considering every guild has cleared BWL on Wednesday.
World of Casual RP-craft For the Win!
Whats not to like! You can always Go Back to Retail, not that its any different right now.

Conclusion.

Lets face the facts, WOW Classic PvP is being optimised for casuals, by Blizzard allowing this abuse to take place. It is being made into a diaster to make BFA & Blizzards new expansion look like a viable alternative.

Premade players are labelled as PvP abusers while the real abusers using terrian exploits know that Blizzard will willingly ignore them to restore a good win/loss ratio for both faction that looks good on paper.

Players who organise themselves and actually create a viable stratery are being labelled as cheaters while the real cheaters are making a mockery of the PvP community.

In an Alliance perspective WOW-Classic PvP is nothing more than a uphill grind where you have to seriously out IQ the opposing faction by three times their level of play to actually win Battlegrounds because Horde naturally have the advantage in every single game.

And the worse thing is … With Blizzard current changes to the game I can only see Horde be given more privlidges

So if you get Grand Marshal as an alliance player in WSG you have earned it!

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exploit, get banned!

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lol, you complained about AV as well. So go dig a ditch to lay down in, sucker. And alliance abuse terrain just as much as horde, but maybe you’re premades dont. Does not matter, you are not the only alliance premade out there.

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Arrogant, aggressive, delusional and a whiner. Get lost. No one will miss you.

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They were. Every exploit is a “clever use of game mechanisms”. The difference is the advantage it gives you, and if it bypasses intended game design and grants a competitive edge which others must replicate if they want to keep up.

The key parts here being bypassing intended game design. Such as not offering the option to queue up as a premade, in the game’s design, and also bypassing the purpose of a random matchmaking, which is to provide a random chance to win. Not to skew it in favor of the ones exploiting to tip the “scales of war” in their favor. This also messed greatly with the Alliance players NOT doing the exploits, which fits the definition.

The sociological repercussions are a disaster you’ll have to live with for a long time, because without those exploits, both factions would have FAR MORE players not caring so much about tryharding even as a random solo player.
Now you’ve conditioned even the worst players to try as hard as they can, because otherwise it becomes like the bad memory of when so many alliance players were exploiting the matchmaking mechanisms for over a month.

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AV was meant to be queued solo. Circumventing this by any means necessary is exploiting the way the BG was meant to be played.
The biggest problems that AV premades brought is that way too many alliance players feel entitled to a rank they never would’ve accomplished before in a proper WSG/AB meta. People like APES never needed AV meta and rejoiced once WSG came out, because they stomp every facette of the game anyways.
There is a warrior in the german forums who was incredibly smug about the AV meta and was taken down quite a notch by the AV changes, because he got totally screwed over once the AV meta ended, because there is a huge amount of alliance players, who aren’t good enough or don’t have the dedication to fight enemy premades for 18 hours a day, but they were able to semi AFK ride the gravy train of despirited horde and 7min ez-AV wins.
Good players just go with the meta and get their R12+ in WSG now. Baddies are throwing a temper tantrum that their 100% PvE time sink AV grind is taken away from them. Stay PvE, alliance if you don’t like proper prem vs prem PvP in WSG.

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A perfect example of this portion is the WSG queue. It’s by design that you can queue as a full premade into the random matchmaking. The chance to win is still random in that you might end up facing a premade as well, because everyone can do it due to the game offering that choice.
Because everyone can do this due to the option to queue up as a premade is offered in the game itself, it then doesn’t fall under the definition of exploitation.

Yes, it does screw over the solo players more in WSG, but this is a social design. It’s meant to frustrate the solo players to motivate them to seek out premades themselves. The same way you’re meant to travel to each new flight master on your own, which by design makes you explore the world as you go, instead of just offering all flight paths from lvl 1.

The game however was clearly NOT designed to allow full (or close to full) premades in AV due to it not being a choice in how you queue up normally by design. Although it would’ve been great imo if it would be an option to queue as a full premade for AV, because I think realm wars would be fun.

So no, this “it’s not an exploit” sophistry doesn’t fly.

You were just traumatized morons looking for easy matches, because you don’t like the struggle. Then you kept making up lies to yourselves while trying to justify how it’s not possible for everyone to form such large premades for AV.

By the way, it was just hilarious the hypocrisy when some butthurt Alliance players were trying to argue against the suggestion of allowing everyone to form premades for AV normally. They kept saying “it’s a privilege of Alliance being the smaller faction” (which it isn’t), or how “we suffered in phase 2, so now you’ll suffer in AV”.
https://wowclassicpopulation.com/

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I am so sorry you feel that way.

Gl hf

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No, you were making the compositions prior to the matchmaking itself, hence the term PRE MADE. It was made prior.

This allows things which the random matchmaking does NOT offer as a design choice. Like manually choosing who to bring based on gear and/or skill, or epic mount or not, or talent choices, or requiring people to be on discord, which is very different from getting random strangers in a random matchmaking to do normally.

So no, there is a lot more to making a premade than just exploiting the matchmaking mechanisms. Which is an exploit.

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These terrain exploits have been in use since I was leading PvP teams in 2005, sadly.

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When, I do it its ok, but when others do similar things, thats blasphemy, burn them !!!

Trolling evaluation :

Idea : 1/10 ( not original in these days )
Concept : 2/10 ( too long to read )
Alooftness : 5/10 ( at least here you tried a little )
Cry / Tears : 19/10 ( i geuss new record here )

Overall performance : 4/10 ( can not go higher, sorry )

I know its harsh, but keep tryin, you ll get better.

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This is rich coming from the biggest exploiter in all classic wow…
I think the last mental breakdown this poor dude had has made him slip a few gears…
This is head in a meat grinder delusional…

Here’s a hint buddy… horde don’t have the advantage, you just got used to a higher win rate than your skill level by guess what… damn right abusing an exploit… which inflated your opinion of your skills… now that your forced to actually pvp, you’re getting your behind kicked, licked and rolled…

I suggest you go take your participation award for life you’re used to. Horde have to grind as well… all day, everyday. And yet again before you go lol horde tears, dwarf priest on shazzrah here who never once set foot in your premades but saw plenty of games ruined by them. You are no loss… you absolute muppet of a man-child.

Alliance won most BG’s back in vanilla, but you know why? They actually fought and didn’t expect to just get handed the win like you do.
And clearly if your playing with the same group of alliance all the time your not going to see the night elf hunters who FD/shadow meld from safe spots on roofs to aimed shot one hit casters coming out of tunnels.

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Hadn’t realised hypocrisy was a racial…

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Good reply, great retort! Such cutting wit! A well thought out exposition…
You weapon.

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That’s such a huge part of this it can’t be overstated. Aside from many wanting to pvp for the sake of pvp, not solely for a currency, the will to win is far stronger Horde side when we have long queues and well remember the fiasco of encountering premade after premade. The premade ‘cliques’ did equal damage to Alliance players by excluding those that didn’t meet the standard those players were aiming to achieve in the first place.

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Stop talking so much, you aint stomping sjit.
U discord team up, and than you “Stomp” the horde… Bloody genius.
Pretty sure i remember you’re name, you are also dodging vs premades in wsg.

I think pokemon, suits you better.

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anyone else noticed that literally everyone here is not making valid points because they are hordes and they don’t like dealing with the fact that they KNOW that horde exploits all the damn time and that blizz doesn’t care about it? funniest one is the lvl 110 human priest that is guaranteed to be horde main in classic

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@kardiac stop spamming that lie bro, that alliance premades were detrimental over alliance. its simply not accurate. if it was true, then the overall winrate for alliance pugs would had gonne up after premades were stopped, and it just dropped even more, and don’t give me that crap that all pro alliance rank in wsg now, because its simply not the case (not saying they don’t do wsg, but the majority of their honor is from av)

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PVE Grand Marshal gettin hard to reach? :stuck_out_tongue:

Imagine the nerve u gotta have to come here and cry after u abused the system for so long… why weren’t u posting stuff like this when u had 90% winrate??

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But we all KNOW alliance exploit all the damn time and that blizz does not care

See how easy it was to change those words around?

Take your head out of the sand, WSG exploiting happens on BOTH sides stop having this holier then thou attitude when you know damn well both sides are doing this.

But only one side “exploited” an unintended side effect of insta queues circumventing a certain limitation that blizzard put in place.

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