Then maybe she should also stop to force her opinion on the people here who are clearly in favor of removing the faction barriers.
It’s a two-way-street.
I told you several times, that you offer nothing worthwhile to the discussion. Your opinion has been heard, but you refuse to listen to ours. As such it’s completely pointless even talking with you, because your counter-argument is that you don’t like it without offering anything else.
Fine. But neither helpful nor constructive. As such any further reply to you is a waste of data.
We are starting to get silly. Let’s have an adult conversation about this.
As far as PvE (Raids) and Roleplay goes, I don’t find a problem with the cross faction stuff. Blizzard have already given us roleplayers a potion that lets us talk between the factions - the only thing we can’t always the full bio of the other characters who we might be RP’ing with. Again, it’s not really here or there.
Raids - again, I think this allows people to play whatever they want and still get a fair shout in the raiding scene.
PvP and the levelling experience should be separate as it would make no sense for a Night Elf to start plague-bombing everywhere - even if it was against the crazy Scarlet Crusaders in Dragonblight. Or a Human willingly killing the Kirin Tor Humans in Silverpine Forest.
unconstructive feedback to a discussion to find a solution is simply derailing the discussion and not helpful whatsoever. Sure she’s free to have her opinion I’m not saying she can’t. but ‘‘I dont like this’’ doesnt help. So far she’s the minority on this thread that doesn’t like the solution we’re coming up with and all she has to say is ‘‘I dont like it’’ and doesn’t help come up with a solution either and keeps repeating the same story of not liking it without giving an alternative.
I want to find a solution, I’ve proposed one, many others have; we dont have to destroy factions to be able to play together whatsoever. Raiding wise we all fight the same enemy anyways, why can’t I raid with players from the opposite faction for a easier way to find groups. Doesn’t mean I want to be horde, or I want to destroy the horde. The lore, the faction war it’ll all still be there.
Look at the Jaina raid for example, we alliance players turned into horde characters to fight Jaina, worst case scenario do the same just for raiding/m+ keys aslong as its easier for us to find groups. Majority of the people are moving to horde to find players to play with, not for the aesthetics, not because they want to be horde. Man even a couple streamers admitted they’d rather be alliance but they cant because its such a struggle to find raiding guilds/m+ pushers.
This. We fought together against a common foe in every single expansion, which makes sense when the enemy is a dragon that could destroy the world, a warchief that goes against the majority of his own horde and the opposite faction, a universal threat, an old god, the jailer, etc.
The only bad writing i can see in these situations is when they start forcing a faction war again for no reason. I remember when they showed the BfA trailer, most people didn’t even understood what’s the point of a new faction war after an expansion where everyone worked together except for Sylvanas and Genn.
She’s not? She shares her opinion which she is entitled to, just as you share yours. In the end its up to blizzard and Ion said at blizzcon they wont do it.
There is no fix for this. They cant balance the factions at this point without making alliance severely OP and they wont do that. Alliance will die in the end if they wont do cross faction, guess we’ll just have to live with that.
So if Punyelf disagrees how is this forcing her opinion on others? The same could be said that you arguing your cause is forcing your opinion on others.
People are entitled to comment if they wish and in the end it’s okay to agree to disagree as you can never make people see things the way you do, however much you wish they would.
In my opinion it’s sad when it devolves though to just name calling or telling others not to post.
I think the problem is some Alliance players feel they have everything to gain by this change and no down sides. There are Horde supporters too, I have friends who would love to play together who don’t want to level another character on the opposite faction or maintain it to a high level.
Personally I don’t feel sacrificing the factions is worth the outcome. I know I’m not alone in that opinion although I can see how some are afraid to express it considering the hostility from some.
I think when the playerbase dwindles down and is too small they would do something like this to keep guilds viable. However I don’t think that time has come yet.
So far Blizzard have said ‘No’ but it’s not like they never change their minds. They’ve also never done anything to interfere with the faction divide in the past. That is not to say they wont do something in the future.
It ends up being nothing more than unconstructive feedback. “I don’t like it” is a valid opinion which anyone can obviously voice, but it offers nothing to a discussion which is build on arguments.
The points have been made why a dissolution of faction barriers could be helpful and healthy for the state of the game. Now the side against it must offer up something…something valid and not a personal opinion.
What are the downsides to allowing everyone to play endgame content together?
Besides the ‘‘lore’’ excuse which is already invalid and we all know why.
I do find it amusing that it doesn’t matter how many people say the same thing in support of cross faction, that is permitted but because I reply to individuals who quote me repeatedly, then it’s an issue.
You don’t have to agree with my point of view, I’m not telling anyone else how to think. I have said several times that I can see why this option appeals to so many Alliance players. But in that same vein it’s not that hard to understand the opposite point of view either.
Well the lore, in it’s majority, backs cross faction raids. It’s only a few instances where Blizzard have specifically said, “No it was this faction that killed this raid boss.”
In many of the other circumstances, it’s been between the two factions. Nighthold and Eternal Palace are clear indications of the cross faction.
I mean, the lore could be “why would a night elf and forsaken work together in a raid?” Well, against N’Zoth, do you really think they would have time to talk about their differences or do you think it’s a case of saving Azeroth?
Lore is a completely pointless point anyway, because Blizzard themselves will usually ignore it once it becomes inconvenient. Case in point: The Vindicaar and Teldrassil. We do have Light teleporters to help the evacuation effort…but using them? Nah doesn’t fit the narrative so we ignore it.
She’s already said why she doesnt like it though. The factions and the faction conflicts is what makes the game interesting to her. Nelfs joining her in raids doesnt make sense to her.
Look, i’m all for cross faction pve, i dont care about faction pride at all. I still can respect that others feel differently without starting personal insults and attack on them. Its a matter of just agree to disagree and move on. You wont change punys mind and she wont change yours.
“Alliance players” are hardly the driving force for the removal of the faction barrier. If anything making it a partisan issue an disservice to everyone. There are plenty of players on both factions that have been screwed over by the faction system either because their faction died on their server or because all their friends switched over to the opposite faction.
In multiple expansions both horde and alliance have shared cities. Yet they are unable to team together or even communicate with each other outside of emotes. We are constantly surrounded by players from the opposite faction, which would mean that the removal of the faction barrier would change literally nothing about the game or peoples experiences with it.
Nothing would be sacrificed to improve the gameplay for everyone. As well as giving the lore team free reign to make faction stories that doesn’t end in x happens to horde so something similar needs to happen to alliance.
There’s no need to play the role of the white knight here. You can have the opinion, you can voice it, but then continuing the discussion without anything else outside of “I don’t like it” is unconstructive and not helpful at all.
You can’t go into a discussion without any solution, ideas, proposals or anything really outside of your own personal feelings of “No I don’t want it.” I’ve made this statement several times now, and I don’t really feel like repeating it again.
(We have a better discussion form in the story forums and half the time we’re about to kill one another.)
This funnily enough was resolved in BfA via an elixir bought in Dalaran. If both sides use it they can fully understand one another.
In the god damn faction war expansion, we finally get the option to talk to one another. (Outside of pandaren, demon hunters, blood and void elves who can already talk to one another via use of their secondary languages.)
Your faction choice should be meaningful. Do you support the rabble of misfits that is the Horde, a rich mix of different savage (and not so savage) races that band together. Or do you go for the more regal organised Alliance with their King, (mostly) beautiful cities who mostly have the upper hand in terms of might.
Each faction has a whole different set of races available to it, with the exception of Pandaren you can instantly see who if someone is friend or foe.
We have always been at war even if we face a common enemy, we don’t ever fight side by side. WM was introduced for Legion for various reasons as a replacement to PvP realms. The replacement for PvP realms would need to be removed from the game. The Battlegrounds which have clear faction flavour would no longer make sense. Not all have that, some are just straight forward battles.
We have different languages, we can’t communicate in game, that would all have to go as well. Different levelling zones, different cities.
If we have cross faction we are just all Horlliance or Allorde. Everything we have done up to now becomes meaningless
The whole game is built up on the premis that we are two separate factions. We have done terrible things to each other. I know some don’t care and just want to throw all that away but I don’t want to become one homogenized faction.
But in terms of just PvE established content, like raid environments, I don’t see this being a problem because both factions have worked together to get rid of the big bad bosses.
Examples: Gul’dan, Azshara, Archimonde, Garrosh Hellscream.
If we are talking about levelling content, then yes - that should be separated.
The issue wasn’t this opinion for most people, i think. But when it became a “this will completely and utterly destroy the whole game for everyone because i personally don’t like it”, meanwhile currently the faction imbalance is what destroying it for alliance players, the discussion became more than silly.
This thread was made to let us think together and find a solution and plenty of people came up with reasons why crossplay would make gameplay experience better. When someone counters everything we say with a “i don’t like it” personal opinion that she tries to use as an objective argument, obviously there won’t be a constructive conversation.
