I care it’s why I’m in the alliance in the first place and dont want to go horde but the game is literally forcing me to go horde because every endgame content player is going horde… but just saying ‘‘I dont like it’’ isnt a solution either. We’re trying to come up with a solution, maybe help us with it.
So fine, cross-faction isn’t the solution, what’s next? any ideas? because I dont have a better idea than cross faction which still seems like the best solution.
And dont give me the ‘‘oh come up with a solution yourself’’ this thread was made to find a solution and discuss the issue.
The game is being destroyed for us alliance players right now meanwhile it’s only getting better for horde, maybe try to see it from our view aswell.
In this thread alone I was told my opinion is not valid because I play Horde. There i certainly more to be gained by Alliance players. Yes there are some Horde who want this too but there are also players on both factions who don’t want it at all.
This is where our opinions differ and I just think some can’t understand there is a vast difference (to me) between a neutral hub and applying that across the board to all of the game. It will not improve my gameplay experience because this is something I see as game breaking.
A neutral hub does not force me to play in a raid with Alliance players, it does not fill my guild up with night elves (or insert other popular race here).
it’s a huge problem. realistically, the only options i can think of are:
do nothing - the alliance raiding community continues to shrink
make alliance strongly superior in some way raiders care about
allow cross-faction play
i don’t like any of these options, but doing nothing is not sustainable. eventually the alliance raiding community will disappear more or less entirely.
I don’t think this will have any true impact and I will tell you why.
People like to talk about the Darkspear Troll racial, but why is it that the Darkspear Trolls as a race, are not the most played race? Because they are ugly.
It’s only that really niche 1% of hardcore players, who truly care about racials. The majority of us simpletons play the races we like the looks of. I love the Elves, so I play Elves. Nightborne Priests aren’t exactly topping charts, taking names and a race/class combo, that displays true min-maxing.
The problem is mainly that it is already too late to do something simple or conservative. Nowadays people go Horde not because the races are stronger, or better or anything like that: It’s simply because the Horde has a larger recruitment pool of players. You have more choices, more options.
You are very much mistaken.
Siege of Orgrimmar had Horde and Alliance armies working side by side.
Again, the whole “raiding scene” - it’s not a real issue, for cross faction. It will just mean I don’t have to play a hideous looking Horde character as a Druid, but I can still play with my blood elf and nightborne cousins.
yep, that’s why i said strongly. loads of people, even within the mythic community, play the races they like the most. when you then add the extra huge hurdle of swapping factions, trying to convince everyone, figuring out how to replace the ones who refuse to swap, it becomes unlikely.
you need a very big reason to swap a guild’s faction. one of those is ‘we are going to die if we don’t swap to horde because we have nobody to recruit’. alliance being marginally better is not enough to make that happen, it would need to be very broken.
a big problem with making alliance so broken that guilds would swap over just for that is that it’s also not sustainable. as soon as you tone it back down, the process of swapping over to horde will come back, unless you do it for so long that alliance becomes the majority, at which point horde will start to die. server faction balance is kind of similar i think, it needs to be very close to 50/50 to not begin to snowball in one direction.
Not to forget that transferring a entire raid guild on average of the top mythic guilds we’ve heard its about 200 dollars in transfer fees per person, it’s rediculous. And they’re all just doing that purely for the fact to make it easier to find players.
Something has to be done, leaving it like this will destroy alliance’s endgame scene even more than it already has. They already went to horde, they’re not gonna pay the same to go back to Alliance.
The amount of notifications I’m getting for quotes is off the charts, I can barely keep up with you all
In that same way that you don’t want to be forced to go Horde, I don’t want to be forced to play with Alliance and remove the factions.
If it was an easy problem to solve Blizz would have done it already. There may come a time they will consider this. We just don’t know.
I can see it from your point of view but that does not mean I agree with the solution. I have expressed in this and similar discussions that there is clearly an issue for the Alliance playerbase with the player pool for content, guilds, recruitment etc. I am not your enemy and I’m not blind. However that doesn’t mean I’m going to agree to a solution that I feel breaks the game for me.
Again - not quite true.
The Legion pre-event on the Broken Shore…these things can be done and we were fighting together.
But this isn’t removing the factions in terms, “Right, you are a Night Elf and you can go anywhere…even Eversong Woods or Valley of Trials…” No, in terms of levelling an PvP, that will remain.
But bosses are a mix, where Horde and Alliance, lorewise, work together. It’s not groundbreaking.
If I zone in the Eternal Palace on this Priest, Jaina, Shandris and the Alliance are still present, likewise if I zone in on my Night Elf Mistweaver Monk, the same thing, except Theron, Thalyssra and the Horde are still there.
I honestly dont think they would. It’s making them alot of money, and the blizzard actual devs dont even play the european servers most likely. Plus the difference between a dev and a player is massive like we’ve always seen. This thing aint happening on the US servers it’s still quite balanced there.
I queued and was a full Horde group doing the pre event for broken shore, I am not aware it was a cross faction event beyond NPCs. So I’m a little confused although it is quite some time ago.
I honestly can’t recall a single time I’ve gone into anything with the opposite faction present. On PvP realms and in WM it’s a case of kill them before they steal the tag.
The factions should be separate and that choice should mean something. I don’t want Alliance in my guild, raids, mythic plus etc. There is absolutely no point to having separate cities if the factions aren’t going to mean anything anymore so I really don’t see that distinction as meaningful.
As a pure living elf fan (not ugly dead elves), I don’t see the issue with instanced cross-faction, raider-environment gameplay.
If the people were saying “everything has to be cross-faction. Levelling, PvP - absolutely everything”, including down to the new customization features, then I’d take a hard stand and say “No, hang on a minute…”, but it’s not what’s being suggested.
What would optional cross-faction play ruin for people who don’t opt into it? The idea that someone else in their faction plays with the opposite faction? Isn’t that the same with alts on the other side?
Also, I consistently help out other faction players in leveling zones, taunt mobs off them or CC or use gestures to point them in the right direction. That’s already a form of cross-faction play. The only difference would be that an official option for those who like it would enable more hardcore content to be able to be done together. That’s all.
In random BGs I think more than half my team is Horde, too. There is already so much cross-faction interaction happening, auction house, same neutral hubs etc., I don’t understand how giving this one extra option suddenly “destroys the game”.
Do I destroy the game, by leg sweeping mobs off a low level Hordie so he can run to safety? I just don’t get it.
