I mean we just had an expansion where Saurfang and Anduin made an alliance against Sylvanas and then Thrall and most of the horde joined in. Also where Jaina and Thalyssra are having friendly conversations about their magic. Also where Jaina and Shaw goes to Orgrimmar as well to save Baine after Baine gives back Jaina’s brother to the alliance.
You can cherrypick what you mention, but killing each other was a very minor part of the story in this expansion.
That basic premis has already been broken many times where they make the Horde and Alliance work together against a specific enemy, and so we are doing that again into Shadowlands; it makes no sense to force people to only play with their own alliance anymore.
Lore wise many alliance and horde characters aren’t dead on enemies anymore.
And if no one else can come up with a better solution then whats left; Horde turning into the one and only faction eventually? and alliance being dead for most content; all that will be left is roleplayers and new players that make the mistake of going alliance.
Factions should exist; but this restriction on ‘‘Oh we can’t mythic raid together because i’m alliance and you’re horde’’ is just nonsense 99.9 percent of the time we’re fighting the same enemy anyways.
And hall of fame barely anyone cares about that really, it seems to be just the issue of finding players to play with.
It’s pointless discussing with Punyelf in that regard, because her opinion boils down to, “I don’t like it” while she never offers an alternative to the problem.
Believe me I had this discussion before.
It is exactly the same as deleting the factions. Factions are meaningless if you have cross faction. Cross faction has no place in World of Warcraft.
I really don’t understand how that is hard to grasp. I can’t say it any other way. You don’t have to agree with my opinion, but you do have to believe that it’s mine and that’s how I feel.
Players who don’t care about factions aren’t going to care if cross faction erodes that barrier and removes the very basic premis of the game. Those of us that are attached to it are going to hate it. This game has been Alliance vs Horde since the start and while I’m fine with the odd truce where we stop fighting each other and face some other enemy we have never done that by playing with people of the opposite faction.
It is also ridiculous to think any Night Elf would want to team up with any member of the Horde after we burnt down their home and killed a whole load of civilians. Technically it was also the Worgen’s second home after they lost Gilneas. One of the reasons I supported Sylvanas all through the campaign was because she wasn’t trying to turn us into the Alliance’s lapdog.
I don’t want mixed faction guilds, mixed faction raids, mixed faction anything.
That’s your subjective interpretation. I disagree.
I am not required to have a solution. I am perfectly entitled to hate the solution offered by others that destroys the very game I love and express that.
Literally no one cares which faction they’re in when they are mythic raiding or pushing higher m+ keys.
Lore isn’t what keeps this game together; it’s the gameplay. If I can’t find people to play with whats the point of even playing?; you’re horde biased that’s very clearly to see and thats fine. But me, the alliance guy the persont that likes alliance aesthetics etc is being punished by barely being able to find players for endgame content purely because the majority has moved to Horde, not for aesthetics but just to find players?!
Again, goes to show that barely anyone cares about their alliance when it comes to endgame; people just want players to play with thats what a MMO is about #1.
You still haven’t replied. Stop dodging and answer. The faction divide is utterly pointless, when the one area of the game where factions should matter the most has the option for you to join the other side.
Meanwhile in PvE where we fight against neutral threats all the time, and half the time NPCs yell in our ears that we need to come together to fight a big bad we can’t.
It’s illogical and at this point forced for no particular reason. Not to mention that the faction conflict was already thrown overboard with Warcraft 3.
If you want to argue against a solution you need one, otherwise you come across as childish. Throwing a tantrum, yelling and screaming because you don’t want it.
You offer absolutely nothing to the discussion outside of this. As such your opinion and statements are essentially worthless.
You can voice your opinion once and then leave if you have nothing else to offer to the discussion after all this is an open forum.
I care. So your ‘literally no one’ is wrong.
Your attitude of no one cares about Alliance doesn’t mean you get to destroy the Horde.
Everyone from alliance went horde because of ‘‘finding players’’ not because of aesthetics/lore, sure you care but you’re horde biased to begin with; you’re not looking at the big picture how its hurting the other alliance and only bring ‘‘I dont like it’’ to the discussion;
That is not how life works. If someone comes up with a terrible solution no one else is required to counter it. It literally just means that isn’t viable, isn’t wanted, and they need to go back to the drawing board and come up with something else.
Not liking a solution is absolutely fine. Claiming that the solution that would give players (especially alliance) the chance to make groups faster or be able to join a guild, play with friends that play in the opposite faction in an mmorpg would kill the game because of your personal opinion is silly.
Something that has been covered repeatedly by myself and others in this discussion.
That does not however mean you have the right to destroy the factions. Nor does that mean that I will ever agree with them being destroyed.
Fortunately it’s not either of us that gets to decide. Only Blizz have that power.
And who is to decide what is a terrible solution? You? Why is your opinion worth anymore than the ones from all the other people in the forum? Because several people in this thread have made several points why it would help.
You meanwhile have offered absolutely nothing outside of a childish “NO I DON’T WANT!”
And I stated it before: You can have your opinion, but if you offer nothing else to the discussion then there’s no point in you staying in this thread.
Yet they’re not being destroyed thats this illusion you have that allowing more players to play together is going to completely destroy the game.
It’s a MMO; this isn’t just a story game; people play to play with their friends and play the actual content, if you cant find any players to play with this isn’t a MMO anymore.
Bring some actual feedback and attempt at another solution to the discussion or just dont respond at all; just saying you dont like it isn’t constructive and doesn’t help solve the issue.
Cross-faction will make it so you can choose whatever alliance you like story/aesthetically/race wise; without being punished because you cant find people to play the endgame content with.
99.9 percent of the endgame content we’re fighting the same enemy anyways.
It’s not going to delete factions whatsoever. You people that are stuck on lore will still get to choose their faction and be loyal to it without hurting the players that just want to play with other players and dont want to get punished.
And whether you like it or not, something has to be done because sooner or later there will be nothing left on the Alliance side of the game; every patch more and more are moving to Horde because the majority of the players are there already.
It will punish new players aswell because if they decide to roll alliance they’ll eventually realise that its a dead side of the game.
You argue with us like we are developers who are already implementing the patch that enables faction crossplay.
We are answering you and telling you why it would objectively help the game when the faction balance can’t be fixed otherwise, because most people will follow the best players wherever they go.
But you are not exactly making this conversation easy when you act like we are here to ruin your whole life because we want something that you don’t.
I also think most people have a misconception about the removal of faction barriers. No, you would not be able to walk around in Stormwind as a Horde, or in Orgrimmar as an Alliance character.
You would merely be able to join in with groups and do some dungeons/raids etc. Probably via NPC similar to the already existing mercenary mode.
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough when I said I hate the removal of the factions the previous umpteen times. It’s me!! I think it’s a terrible solution. I said it. 
I will also say again. I am not required to give a solution. I realise people of all ages play this game. However let me put it in business context. When I am in a meeting and someone makes a proposal, we are not in any way shape or form obliged to act on that. If people feel it’s a bad proposal or there are flaws in it, then we do not say anyone has a counter proposal or we are going with this. They say I’m sorry but we aren’t interested, go and rework it or deal with these issues then come back to us. There isn’t a childish person sitting in the meeting screaming and stamping their feet going ‘you can’t counter it, your’e not allowed to say no’.
I really don’t feel I need to explain again that cross faction is the same as removing the factions. It removes their relevance, it forces everyone to play with the opposite faction whether they feel it’s game breaking or not. There is no going back, once the factions are gone that’s it.
Whilst some games will do drastic measures like this, it’s usually down to a lack of player numbers, this is not something WoW has an issue with. There is still a sizeable playerbase. Whilst we’ve seen various people blame different aspects of the game it seems guilds just want a better player pool to recruit from. The other common complaint is that pugging is much harder on the Alliance and some make derogatory comments how they are all achievement hunters and mount farmers.
Yes this; I dont wanna stroll through Orgrimmar or anything like that.
I just want a easier time finding Raids and people to do M+ keys with.
As far as PvE and RP goes, I don’t see a big problem with the cross faction stuff to be fair. Yes, Blizzard have on occasion, told us which side defeated which raid boss, like the Horde beating Kael’thas in Tempest Keep and the Alliance defeating Kil’jaedon at the Sunwell, but all-in-all, let’s take the Eternal Palace as an example:
As you look at Sivara, you can see the left is divided by the Horde forces under Theron and Thalyssra and the right is divided by the Alliance forces under Proudmoore and Shandris. I don’t really see the issue of allowing us to play together in those types of environments.
I mean, I’m sure we can all agree to keep the Horde and Alliance questing experience separated, I mean why would you play a Night Elf Rogue and be allowed to quest in the Ghostlands, killing NPC Night Elf Rogues? Also - PvP as well, which is neither here nor there.