Faerin Lothar, WTF is this writing?

Why do cringe people be bothered when male leaders start to not be stoic? Nothing it is taken from you. They actually start to crumble under too much pressure like any real person would.

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Anduin wants peace too but suddenly you hate it. Can’t have the cake without sharing it I am afraid.

I literally provided a quote from the review. You have not, and continue to insist on something that is not true (that they gave the game a bad review and cited lack of diversity as the reason).

I have provided evidence. You have not. You have only provided YouTube grift videos that are presenting easily disprovable (with three seconds of Googling and reading).

The fact that you have the audacity to turn around and try and lecture anybody about honesty, presenting evidence, and lies, is an assault on standards of discourse. It is obvious that you either have not read the review, or you did read the review and don’t care that it doesn’t fit the narrative you want to present, so you are lying about what it says.

You are a liar. That is the start and end of it. There cannot be discourse when you so freely ignore facts to so brazenly push your agenda despite being presented with actual evidence in the face of your stomping your foot like a toddler and insisting on your own reality.

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The interesting thing is that I believe Anduin is incredibly strong mentally. I think people just can’t really imagine, what he went through.

His faith in the Light was so strong, that it even answered to him in the Maw. Now, obviously he has had a very rough time, after the Jailer turned him into a Death Knight, made him torture souls, and then used him as a weapon to fight the people of Azeroth. The sick thing is, that the Jailer controlled his mind so much, that he “wanted” to do it. I think he is much stronger than Varian. Varian may have been an incredible warrior, but he didn’t survive anything close to this.

Not being able to imagine and not caring are very different things. And not caring isn’t necessarily because you dislike the topic either, it can be that it’s just the delviery… or it can be that it just doesn’t mesh with what the audience wants from this specific medium. I mean… Stormlight Archive is probably my favourite fantasy saga (for now at least), and the first protagonist (of a growing cast) has been struggling with PTSD for all of its currently 5000 pages or so, with frequent relapses and quite a bit of moaning about it, whenever things get hard (he is also basically a paladin, if we’re looking for parallels here…). I can emphasize with the character’s struggle and be fascinated by his story. But in WoW? I care about as much about Anduin’s PTSD as I would care about gory horror on the Teletubbies. That’s not what I’m here for, and they’re not qualified enough to sell me that story in that context.

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I’m reading the first book, and it’s awesome. I was distractes though, because I’ve also been reading war of the ancients, so I stopped with the way of kings for a bit midway. Will pick it up soon again though! :smile: Amazing book. Keep in mind though, that wow is sadly not only story, so some stuff is badly written due to gameplay reasons. An example is the Blood Elf behaviour after they were freed from Kael’thas and the Burning Legion

That’s an explanation, not an excuse though. They are responsible for writing their story with their production constraints in mind.

And that’s exactly why I don’t think trying to feign depth instead of leaning into making their cool moments really cool is a good idea. Rule of Cool certainly won’t win any literary accolades, but it is pretty much what made Warcraft popular in the first place. And that’s something they can do within their game production.

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To be broken by adversity is what makes “modern” Anduin weak.
All race leaders of each faction has faced adversity and challenge. Overcoming them is what is the appealing thing. Even though Anduin was not the only one under domination magic. He was the one that continues crying about it.

He is going trough same as forsaken did, and there were hints of ptsd in their quests too. They just reacted to it differently and added to that the undead corruption that seems to take all good feelings harder to feel. So reason why i understand why anduin being broken at the moment cause of that. And it took strenght to him see that he isnt ready to lead and gave it to tyralyons hands

I feel like it’s a conversation he should have had with Darion.

Both :

  • fought for what was right since teenager age
  • Lost their mother
  • Father was a famous fighter with a impossible legacy
  • Pull of impossible tasks with the light
  • Get pulled into darkness and forced to commit crimes and kill innocent
  • Become free again and now have to deal with how to move on

What did Darion do ? He found purpose, even when unlike Anduin he never fully came back and is still cursed. He would be perfect to teach Anduin how to handle that exact same situation.

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I can only assume you’re referring to Screen Rant and not IGN?

[Screen Rant] - [3 / 5]

While it has some exceptional features, including its visuals, combat design, and many extraordinarily exhilarating boss fights, as well as a compelling plot line, it is not enough to warrant a better score. Given that most of its shortcomings lie in performance, diversity, and wasted environmental factors that would have transformed it into something great, these are integral features that, at a fundamental level, all RPGs, especially soulslike ones, should encompass in their content.

Screen Rant is a part of it but it was an IGN writer that produced the article.

Black Myth Wukong the studio is a Chinese company, based on Chinese mythology and a Chinese folktale. Get marked down by activists in IGN for not having American sensibilities. “Lacking diversity” American gender politics identity politics etc…

Since the backlash IGN has down damage control which is why the Kul Tiran ignorantly speaks about it not happening. Can’t delete something from the internet though.

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Man it’s weird to see racist’s just coming out like that. No one else uses “DEI” lol.

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I love Faerin’s writing, we finally have an uncompromising symbol of hope in the lore again who beyond even the potential corruption amongst those who follow the sacred flame, she shows that the light can be a rallying force and it’s what individuals use it for that is wrong.

Also, I think it’s the wording that has caused the OP to misread what Faerin meant by being worthy of the light despite having lost an arm and an eye. She’s relating to Anduin’s situation of having endured these insurmountable, personal losses that would test any persons faith; make them wonder if they’re worthy of the light or if the light abandoned them to let that happen to them. Faerin shows Anduin that she could have lost faith or given up because of what she lost but she hasn’t, she adapted.

I also feel that her having the conversation with Anduin is important. All of these characters like Turalyon etc. are people he’s grown up with or grown up on stories of, they’re all far far older than him. We all have situations where we don’t want to look to our parents or people adjacent to them for advice and instead want to ask a friend closer to our age, understand how they cope with things. Anduin lost most of his childhood to being the son of Varian Wrynn and then the King of Stormwind and it’s important that he form connections and becomes friends with more people his age rather than being stuck with these old leaders all his life.

The B plots will always feel better because they involve characters who aren’t interacting with those that we as audiences have taken emotional ownership of and have our own pre-determined wishes as to what we want to become of them.

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We could argue all day about who had it worse, who scored more victims points and so forth…

But as someone else pointed out it is more a matter of presentation. Varian was presented as a stoic and so have many other male characters. Stoic or badass. It is a matter of what they choose to emphasise and Anduin comes off weak even if Id technically agree with you.

Heres the thing though, everybody agreed that Shadowlands was a complete sht-show unworthy of mentioning and thats where most of Anduins ptsd comes from. This further robs his suffering of any credibility. SL isnt widely respected and therefore neither is any character growth and progression that happened in SL as well as any progression taking place as a direct consequence of SL.

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It doesn’t help that the driving force behind Anduin being corrupted and mind controlled was as a throwback to Arthas. Then there’s the fact that Arthas already had a fitting, thoughtful sendoff for his character back in WOTLK only to have him spitefully ruined and mishandled despite being one of the most iconic characters in the setting.

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Wanna know which other character has PTSD as well? Obi-wan Kenobi. Yet I have never heard anybody complain about this. Anduin Wrynn went through worse things than Kenobi did, he is a way weaker character, yet people expect Anduin to be this stoic man, who already forgot everything.

After they tried to focus on that in the recent Kenobi show and botched it, people certainly did complain.

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Yeah, but he already had very clear and strong signs of PTSD in part 4 of Star Wars. I think it’s more a matter of the cultural climate nowadays with empathy decreasing. Back then people certainly didn’t complain about Obi Wan.

Blame my lack of empathy, but I can’t say I noticed any signs of PTSD in A New Hope, strong or otherwise. Sure, it makes sense that he would suffer from it, but I can’t say if it was a character theme at all, before it was backfilled. He was pretty much a stoic monk type guy with no qualms about commiting or guiding others in the commitment of violence where necessary, and a few war stories.