Boy you people sure love to defend this chracter’s crap DEI writing.
First of all, the guy you were accusing of baiting, cause that’s what you people do when someone does not say exactly what you want, was that she made the implication of her being unworthy of the light due to her maiming. The implication, the context of this piece of dialogue isn’t what you twisted in your head and packaged out. The implication is simple. Anduin thinks he’s unworthy of the light because he was used as a vessel to perform heinous acts. Her comparing that with her maiming to relate is really bad writing around a very bad character.
And amputees would much rather have a working artificial limb. So what the hell are you on about. There are test cybernetic limbs being tested right now, people crowding up to get access to those. And you sit here and tell me her turning down a functional artificial limb is paying respect to amputees. Are you mental?
So… you’re complaining about forced “DEI writing” on one hand, but on the other criticise that the “DEI” character doesn’t behave like a “normal amputee”? Wouldn’t that contradict the DEI-argument? When she’s not “representing correctly”?
You can interpret a story in more than one way. To me, Faerin’s point in these conversations was: “Look at me, I was a stow-away, my family hated me, I ran away from home, I grew up as an orphan with a disability in a cavern deep underground- yet, my worth is not defined by my past, but by my faith and my conviction right now! If I can find hope in this situation, at this place, so can you!”
It was never about an objective worth of characters (or their abilities / body parts). It’s subjective, about self-esteem, inner strength and the metaphorical “inner flame” that the Arathi believe in. They even describe the “Holy flame” like that.
Do you know when the Arathi started to develop these artifical limbs? How old Faerin was back then? How functional they are or how long Faerin had to live without even having that option?
And even though I agree that a majority of amputees would probably welcome artificial limbs - how do you know that there aren’t a few who say: “I’ve adjusted my life and got used to my disability, so… no, thank you.”?
In the end, it’s a personal choice - and in Faerin’s case, Blizzard’s.
I don’t know what you people want. You gonna try to nail it into my head that this DEI pile of crap is in fact, top level writing and I’m just blind or something? That’s what’s happening here?
Yet you make claims about “What amputees would much rather have”.
By framing it as “DEI pile of crap”, you’re basically giving yourself a very biased tunnel vision that is so fixated on Faerin and her disability, that you don’t seem to be able to see the important part of the story anymore: Anduin’s healing.
As I said earlier, as soon as some people see a non-white or female character in a story-relevant role these days, they instantly yell “OMG, DEI! FEMINISM! MARY SUE! THE MESSAGE!”, without even paying attention to what the characters actually do or say.
So far, Faerin is introduced as a supporting character for Anduin, someone he can relate to. That’s it.
Problem is have been paying attention to the dialgoue and frankly, it’s dumb. Crap. Out of place. Often lacking any connection to reality, when it’s trying to connect to reality.
And all I hear is people like you telling me it’s not so, that there’s a neuanced way to look at this and you’ll see something impressive. But no, there isn’t. There’s only one way to look at this and that is the spectator’s way. And very few things about Lothar’s existence and her interaction with Anduin make any sense at all.
Then you’re not listening. “People like me” try to tell you that
and that it’s often a question of indiviual taste.
People like Qurdbatsatsa for example point that out with phrases like
That’s his view and I agree. That doesn’t make you or us wrong.
If it wasn’t for you, if you didn’t like it, that’s fine - everyone has a right to their own opinion. But if you really think that
then… what are you doing here, why even discuss it? Or are you here to attack people for not seeing things the way you do?
Ah here we go. The intolerance of different opinions. I must not share your opinion therefore the only reason I must be here is to attack people. It’s rather typical of you really.
No, I’m here to display my displease with the current writing direction and quality. That’s all. If you feel attacked when I do that, that’s really not my problem.
What else can you say? Not much obviously, which you haven’t since the start of this conversation because you don’t have anything to say. This is a DEI-ed character. It represents nothing and on one, it’s just a marketing stunt to get a DEI character on a poster. That’s it. That’s the role of Faerin Lothar. She’s poorly written, poorly design. Actually the only good thing about her is the voice acting. Nothing else. And you people act like she’s some kind of messiah and try to put a spin on the dumb, lazy writing that was never actually perfected because they didn’t think they needed to bother. I mean the moment sane people criticized this character, people like you would take up the defense ready to die on the DEI Lothar hill. Figuratively speaking. So yeah, what can you say.
Similiar charachters have ruined so many products ive used to love, but the whole idea is in money and gain. And this kind of charachters and products will get just more money if people talk about em the whole idea is to make people pissed off. Even when cutting all this off She is an generic charachter with nothing special inside. It is modern disney style all over again but future seems bright cause this kind of style is going away.
Similar people, not characters. Take a look at Ubisoft. They sunk that company so badly it’s on it’s last legs. Why? Why the hell did they need to do it for? They had everything they could want. Some of the strongest franchises in gaming had their name on it. And for who? Who was the targeted audience cause sure as hell wasn’t the ones who made that company what it is, or better said, what it used to be. Where is this new audience now that the company is sinking?
Anyway, it does not matter, it’s too late for them, but not for Warcraft and because of that, as long as I have the ability to speak here on these forums, I will speak against the DEI-ing of this company so it does not end up the same way.
Because there isnt really any audience other than few, well its fine anyone can like what they want. this has been long running problem but it is not sameway as people think it is. It is heavily designed to get angry reactions and change peoples POV’s its an information warfare tactic. and sameway it generates money people hate watch shows that are designed for this thing. And all medium’s landscape has turned into more and more cold and calculative when producing these things. It is not anymore like it used to be and how people like us remember it being
Never told you not to defend it. You can do whatever you please here, your time, your money, your name. I just took issue with the way you are doing it. If you people just came out and admitted you like this DEI stuff, it be much easier, instead you bs people about how that crappy writing isn’t crappy because we just aren’t seeing the whole picture, or something. It’s actually kind of insulting that you think people are that stupid.
I’m all for powerfull female charachters and such if there is actual good writing behind it like there in past were many in different products. it doesnt matter to me either way what they represent if there is actually logic and sense about the things and charachters are even cool or something like that
But it’s not working. Annoying the majority of your customers isn’t a good marketing tactic, or corpo survival tactic, hence why a lot of these DEI enthusiastic companies are not doing so great.
Anyway, it would suck to lose another beloved franchise, but if that’s where it’s going then so be it. I’ll go look for another game to waste my time on and the thing is, it won’t be hard to find, because there’s always someone there willing to fill in the gap.
Yeah which is why i said there is gonna be brighter future, Things are falling apart but im fearing this is going to another direction as pendulum effect.
Even with wow the signs of change are coming atleast it seems so considering these firings, but truthfully we will only see at midnight the changes
And even then if this doesnt change this kind of stuff wont kill all the old stuff that is there before this thing came to be on other franchises too
It is just how its portrayed thats the only problem. But its still small drop in a big problem in wow. it is just a thing that has been popping up in other franchises too certain kind of empowerement thing, but sametime people are starting to see the same issue everywhere where there isnt one. Also this conversation otherwise is total poison it never goes anywhere good which is why ive been trying hard to ignore it
It’s pretty reasonable to assume the majority of people are up to any kind of character as long as it is well written.
The first time we saw Faerin was in the trailer cinematic as a fairly ugly black half-blind amputee woman staring at the camera. Then that she’s a direct relative to Anduin Lothar despite being black. Then that she is decided to fight as an amputee despite how idiotic it is in a world where conflict is omnipresent, but I assume people defending this have never gotten into a fight in their lives. If this isn’t an agenda being pushed, I don’t know what it is.
Beyond that, the character personality-wise is fairly generic. Nothing particularly stellar about it. Of course it’s annoying when she starts babysitting Anduin despite having met him (and the player) 20 minutes ago and being close to a nobody, but that’s the general writing. Her as a character is a generic lawful good character. So yeah, not great.
