[Feedback] Phase 2 Is Thoroughly Demotivating

Just some SOD feedback for the devs. No need for anyone to reply.

I was very happy with Phase 1; a lot of cool experimental ideas came out. Alts were fast to level, it was nice spending time out in the old familiar world, etc. A lot of the runes were boring to acquire, but I had hope that the positive feedback SoD gained would enable to devs to get more creative and experimental with the future phases.

Two weeks in I’m debating unsubbing, so that work out.

The STV event is a mess where ranged classes are grossly overpowered and melee are food. The AB rep is incredibly slow to farm this way. I liked Ashenvale rep, one week to Revered. It was perfect. Two weeks of STV, I’m -so- done with the event and I’m not even Honoured. And this is with some actual ABs thrown in. It’s very slow, very punishing, very tedious and very repetitive. Respawn, try to steal a kill, get 1-shot by a caster. Respawn- for half an hour.

Warriors are currently in need of a lot of help. The class is thoroughly depressing to play. AFK on bosses because we have no rage, lowest PvP damage in the game, virtually no group utility, plate itemization is awful so there’s no light at the end of the tunnel either.
Hunters having a 1k damage gcd without a cooldown, Stormstrike proccing for 1500+, Rogues doing comparable damage attached to 8 seconds of stun, and every caster having 2k+ damage nukes from range. Meanwhile MS is critting for 600 on clothies. A hunter’s cat’s Claw crit me for a 700 earlier.
I’d like to see some serious rebalancing of player burst, counterplay options, and anti-misery mechanics such as 30 second CCs, instakills, infinite kiting etc.

Prot wars have the lowest threat in the game atm, and tank gear is badly itemized so this won’t improve. Right now it feels like I’m sabotaging my guild by playing prot. We swapped to a freshly-dinged pala and beat Thermaplugg unbooned three attempts later. It just feels bad. I’d like to see some large changes to the warrior class this phase, because right now it’s so genuinely unpleasant to play I’d rather not play at all, and will unsub soon.

The lack of things to do at level 40 means that the number of gankers in levelling zones is higher than ever. For someone who’s stuck on a pvp realm because it’s where my friends are, finding any joy in questing is impossible because it’s constantly interrupted by gankers. I’d like see some anti-gank/griefing measures (war mode, Booty Bay Bruiser companion, Dishonourable Kills for killing lower levels, etc), or more things for max level players to do so that they’re not ganking out of boredom.

The only rune I could naturally discover was the Priest SM rune. This rune was great- cross-referencing new items with new lore books. It was well made. But I am not a priest. As a warrior I found the Ancestral Sword whose tooltip states that it’s wielded by Warriors, referenced old maps to find the location of a body in Swamp of Sorrows, and… nothing. These weapons should state they are for Priests. The only way I found out that I wasn’t supposed to be in Swamp of Sorrows was by reading every rune guide online to discover that none of them use the Ancestral Sword. I’d like to see more runes of this design, with clues you piece together that give you locations- instead of the runes just being hidden in obscure places. Piecing together multiple parts of a puzzle is so so much more interesting and involved than wondering where in the haystack of the world the needle is.

The new warrior runes are very boring. There’s nothing that makes prot work, the only dps ones are ‘pick your flavour of slam’, both of which invalidate Improved Slam as a talent. This built-in counter synergy feels very bad. Taste for Blood would’ve been a much more appropriate rune, along with Wrecking Crew. Making Rend more than a waste of 3 talent points- enabling Overpower for reliable Deep Wounds and Wrecking Crew triggers- prompting Enrage for active Raging Blow uptime. This would’ve been very fun and synergistic gameplay design, but instead we get two very pale and boring runes for the same spell, both of which remove the one unique part of said spell.

I won’t claim to have answers to any of these things, but it’s the honest feedback of someone who was very excited and subsequently thoroughly disappointed with Phase 2, and I hope that either this phase will be drastically reconfigured, or Phase 3 will be redesigned in a way to address these problems so that I can re-sub. Thanks for reading.

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Warriors are fine.

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Good luck with that…

Im pissed they went ahead and redesigned a lot of caster gear so they have a pre bis farm. Meanwhile my pre bis is Of agility/Power items that cost 100g+ each.

P2 sucks compared to p1 and i already unsubbed waiting for p3. This season is all about casters, in every aspect of the game. Warriors def have it worse out of all classes, but all melee except melee hunter have it very rough.

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Yeah nobody from Blizzard reads the EU forums.

Max percentile warriors are top 4 already, by the end of the phase they’ll likely be #1 as always. The average warrior is middle of the pack dps, which is good enough.

Get better gear.

True, but warrior isn’t a utility class. Like rogue it’s a greedy class that doesn’t give much to the group, but benefits highly from what the group gives it.

I’m pretty sure whoever made the armor in gnomer either plays a rogue or a feral and has no idea what other classes want.

Prot warriors suck, yeah. But at least you’re not as bad as bears so there’s that.

Tale as old as time.

99th percentile. Behind Warlock, Shaman, Priest, Hunter and mage. All classes that excel in multiple other areas beside PVE dps. But go on.

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I said middle of the pack, 6th place out of the 14 listed on 99th. That’s not exactly the end of the world. If you want to play a version of the game where warrior is always on top there’s always era. Is it really so bad that different classes get some time in the limelight?

Bro I dont even play warrior, I play rogue/hunter in SOD. But even not playing the class I have compassion for those that do.

If warriors are the worst class in every aspect of the game besides raid dps, and now they are very meh in raid dps too. Why should people play them?

Buff them for PvP or something.

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Do you realise how seriously deranged you look doing this over and over again, every single day in 4 threads you talk about warriors like you have any idea of how to play one which everyone that posts here knows you do not.

Are you ok man, like seriously whats wrong with you? You dont play one, you don’t want to play one, and you constantly flip flop between positions you hold for them, one minute its “lol warriors were gud in era so suck it up” the next its “they will be #1 by the end of the phase and its skill issue”

Who hurt you man?

How far were rogues behind warriors in era? In pvp? In pve? Gaps way bigger here kid get over yourself.

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Warriors complaining is the current things being discussed a lot. In phase 1 it was hunters incessantly whinging, now it’s warriors. I’m sure it’ll be some other class in p3. If you simply want a hugbox where everyone agrees maybe this forum isn’t the best place for it.

Rogues were also quite good in era. But don’t act like there weren’t classes / specs that did 1/2 or less DPS than others in era. If anything SoD is far more balanced than era in terms of raid dps.

On a sidenote, you can say what you will about me, but I at the very least try to argue somewhat respectfully and you will find it difficult to find many instances of me attacking another person or trying to insult them on a personal level. So as for who hurt me, maybe it’s a question you should ask yourself.

Started reading the post, read about 1/3rd, saw the word “warriors”, scrolled down being SO sure that i’ll see Shivette talking that i could bet my house and bank account. Wasn’t disappointed!

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I’m glad you’re satisfied :grin: Have a good one my man.

Watching jester shows is always satisfying. Wish you a good week full of funny and ignorant posts :slight_smile:

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These kind of topics are terribly boring. So many times it’s “I quit because my class isn’t the best”.

Each class has it’s strength and weakness for a reason, so that you need each other.

As for warriors, they scale the best with gear, so always at or near the top at the end of the phase.

Are you deliberately being obtuse? Warriors right now are:

Terrible for leveling
Terrible for solo farming
Terrible for solo pvp
Mediocre in PVE
Mediocre in group pvp

Every class has a niche and this has always been the case in Vanilla/Era, even the “meme” specs had their niches. What are warriors supposed to be good at?

There’s literally no area where its fun to play our class.

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Are you that thick that you think im buying any of that? Im here because the class sucks and im waiting on something chaging or im going back to pservers. I have an aquired interest in warrior topics on account of the fact i main one…you on the other hand are here trolling and just because you slide into a passive mood from your spergy rants isn’t going to change any of that?

Who hurt me? Erm, rogues, mages, hunters, all spell casters in fact, healers…everyone mate.

Seriously grow up you’re clearly a bored lonely dude and you need to take a look in the mirror buddy.

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Shivette on his personal vendetta once again?
Just report him for trolling, since it’s his biggest job here.

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imagine unsubbing when your class tops the meters. This feels like when I rerolled rogue in TBC when BM hunter dominated the meters to a class that barely got a look in. But if you don’t like melee, I get it, personally I hate it. I’ll probably unsub in phase 5 when I’m yet again proven correct about warrior and rogue dps. I’ve played Vanilla twice, I don’t need a third time. unless Warriors and rogues receive adjustment nerfs regularly they will dominate the dps meters yet again.

But if you don’t like melee, I get it, personally I hate it.

Of course you do, it’s harder to play in PvE, has a fundamental weakness in large scale PvP, and can’t farm effectively.

Everyone hates those things about melee, people just choose to play it because they’re making a trade off in order to do more damage.

That’s the ‘balance’, it’s about balancing what you want from your class and picking accordingly, not playing a super-class that is S tier at everything like hunters are currently.

This is suspicious, you do know that DPS warriors use leather and mail and there is no perk that gives you 5% stats as long as you wear maximal armor type available for your class? This was added in Cataclysm only.