Did it ever occur to anyone that they want us to come across as insane… I mean it fits the looming theme…
Well no one is stopping you, you can join them. We need Horde as true hordes 
Don’t need weaks like you among of our ranks.
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Problem is: undead faction and Orc faction is a bad idea.
Another lore inconsistency made for the sake of gameplay.
2 faction system is easier to manage than 4 faction system (Humans, Orcs, Night Elves and Undead).
I am starting to think books and game should be things they should never mix up.
Cheers.
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Or else we would have:
Elven faction (everything pointy eared, Night, Blood, High, etc elves)
Alliance (Humans/worgen-Gnomes-Dwarves)
Noble savages (Tauren, Troll, Orcs)
Kill-on-sight (Undead, Goblin)
- Unaligned (Pandaren, Draenei)
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Most starting zones have the PC do terrible things from the start - and unless you skip all the quests with morally questionable actions in it you have done it too.
From slaughtering kobolds in Elwynn Forest because of pure racism, to kidnaping children in goblin starting area, to torturing prisoners in Borean Tundra.
You either don’t read quest text or your moral compass only works in very specific circumstances.
The problem in BfA narrative is unlike other expansions, it goes off their way to show you how bad you should feel for playing Horde.
I played Alliance and having Anduin as King basically negates any aggression move.
Because he is a pacifist.
It’s frustrating for the Alliance players, but at least they can’t be blamed as all of their actions are justified, because the Horde started, by invading Ashenvale, trying to kill Malfurion and burning not one but two Alliance races: Night Elves and Worgen.
As Zarao and Brigante stated in my topic, Sylvanas ordering the catapults to fire feels forced and unnatural.
I hope the narrative later on surprises us telling us that it was Old God manipulation.
But the damage to Horde reputation is done.
And while that may mean nothing to certain, races as the Forsaken because they were always at conflict with the Alliance in Easter Kingdoms it portraits s very poor image in the Tauren, that were never at border conflict, with the Alliance untill WoTLK.
Cataclysm, with Garrosh sets everyone to war.
That’s portrayed in game when Baine rebels against Sylvanas.
For in game perspective, a Horde player that likes chaos and conflict doesn’t feel any difference in Sylvanas actions.
But a Horde player that loves Thrall, Vol’Jin ways of leadership as I do, will hate it.
I hope that clarified my point of view.
Cheers.
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Don’t forget their +2000% range, +2000% damage bonuses.
The damage to everyone is done sadly.
My advice? Take a break from the game for a while. If it displays sudden massive improvements then sure, feel free to come back. If not…then not. Up to you of course.
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Thank you, for your advice.
Right now all help is welcome.
My UK, BfA is inactive for now.
This is my vanilla account, from my home country which has only legion expansion.
I wasn’t sure which one to play till today.
I now will continue, with my vanilla account.
I only have a Blood Elf hunter at level 110 in this account.
Time to level everyone up as well.
After all, will probably, have another expansion coming up in October 2020, better get ready.
Cheers.
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You play a game were you can kill ghosts and cast magic but you complain about catapults 
I’m sure if the roles were reversed and the Alliance destroyed Orgrimmar with plot artillery, we wouldn’t be having this convo ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
Oooh! I know! Let’s go besiege Lordaeron without any anti-Blight measures, or use our anti-Scourge specialists…like DKs. Just one more thing to heap on the pile of this terrible xpac. They’re all legitimate complaints.
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Not true.
I played almost all the starting zones. You don’t do any “terrible things” from the start.
For example:
Taurens - trying to hold off Quillboar attack
Orcs - protecting Orgrimmar against human soldiers and Burning Blade cultists
Trolls - fighting against waves of Naga and their Sea Witch
Pandarens - training and then solving the pain of Shen-zin Su
Humans - repelling Blackrock invasion
Draenei - surviving the crash to Azeroth and saving your race
Worgens - trying to repel worgen attack and the invasion of Sylvanas
The only “morally questionable” actions we do are hunting (massacring) animals for their pelts and meats.
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If those kobols did not want to be killed, then perhaps they shouldn’t invade and overrun vital Human mines.
Pointing out the obvious: They are cretins and mongrels, so why should anyone feel bad about them? They CLEARLY aren’t meant to be sympathized with.
We talk about Blight in UC. I think writers have this to solve. How to make UC unusable zone as burned nelf tree and they invent this.
I like Sylvanas cinematic in throne hall and again Jaina is angel there…
Still can’t understand any logic point in blight versus Jaina IceRing or such spell. It’s came from nowhere.
As horde, still think, Saurfang is the reason for burning tree. If execute Malfurion, things will not go there.
Derek Proudmoore and Baine, I hope Baine is the right traitor and do what Sylvanas want ![:slight_smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Well in my opinion, its all part of a cycle that needs to be completed.
And that is the very irony of your argument I would like to adress here.
As most maybe do not know, Varok Saurfang is a Blackrock Clan member.
Blackrock ruled as Tyrants for the Horde on original Draenor, basically bullying the other clans, and Varok served pretty much as right hand to Blackhand who is described as a Tyrant.
Varok killed hundreds of Draenai , and Alliance in all three Wars. He has commited attrocities and witnessed even more.
So because “demonic blood” and “oh sorry, my bad” he gets to what, preach us about honor now? He is a “good boy” now?
Maybe he is!! And maybe he does deserve a chance.
But then again if he does, even Sylvannas does. So let the story unfold
Sylvanas story is being changed .
One example is they are writing the WoTLK incident at Wrathgrate where Dranosh Saurfang and Bolvar Fordragon perished.
- Before it was Putriss fault.
- Now it seems they are writing it as being Sylvanas involved.
If Sylvanas knows what she is doing and has plan, than why are they retcon past events to make her look like a villain ?
Unless that’s what they want to.
It was stated by Activision Blizzard that they believe the conflict to be a essential part of WoW.
What better way to show it by making Sylvanas orchestrating all of BfA war in a way that the concequences will never allow for peace to exist.
Tyrande will never forgive the Horde for what they did to her people, after Teldrassil.
The idea behind this is (Pandaren quote: “you confuse your biggest asset as your weakness”)
War makes us strong.
Peace makes us weak.
My theory:
She already knew Saurfang wouldn’t kill Malfurion.
She already planned to burn the tree.
She knew Anduin would be incapable of changing Tyrande mind.
She knew Thrall would come back if she sent assassins after him, which would be followed by Saurfang (That’s why they failed in such a pathetic way in the cinematic).
This is just a few examples.
Either way that’s why I told there’s always a limit.
Saurfang may had a turbulent past, but that doesn’t mean he is forced to follow it, now.
Soldiers are meant to obey, not to question their superiors.
Would the First Invasion Horde, Saurfang objected to Sylvanas orders ? No.
Would post internment camp, Thrall Horde, Saurfang objected to Sylvanas ? Yes.
People change so did he.
As for Sylvanas her limits just don’t exist.
I read a quote on US forums:
"Morgan added what I felt was the most interesting view I’ve heard from any developer when it comes to Sylvanas: “With the Sylvanas aspect, there are two sides here: People in the Saurfang / Baine camp and the people who are with Sylvanas.”
“Put yourself in the shoes of someone in the Horde. They’ve known nothing but conflict for over 20 years. They believe that Sylvanas is the person who will bring an end to this. She’s the one who can unite the Horde in ways it’s never been before. You can see how people would want that. They might think, “I would like to know peace, please. Sylvanas will get us there.” The people know what Baine and Saurfang and Thrall lead to – it’s just the same conflict they’ve seen. Sylvanas is bringing something no one’s ever brought before. So it’s interesting to see different sides of that. She has a plan.”
The only problem is she didn’t asked none around her if they agree on it.
She just does what she wants and everyone, should just take it.
You are right to say we should wait and see what the story unfolds.
But from what I have seen it won’t go on to the redemption side of story.
Cheers.
Which is BS because we all saw the cinematic. Arthas killed Saurfang. Putress rebels kills the rest. Blizzard won a freaking award for this video.
"The concept of “continuity exists to enhance a story, not to tie the hands of creators”
Must I say more ?
Cheers.
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Orgrim Doomhammer too.
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