Nigerians have a phrase: Enemy of Progress.
Perhaps Hjorik’s goal is to prevent discussion or find ways of shutting it down. Despite this being the “General Discussion” section of the forums.
Going to a swimming pool to try and prevent others from swimming makes you the problem.
Historically speaking. Politicians have been trying to “regulate” the gaming industry. People understand that would have been a massive problem. So Mortal Kombat franchise the game that broke new ground or a pioneer of its time. The ESRB ratings was a method of the games industry self regulating.
But now it has lost it’s soul.
Not just the DEI and ESG in “mordern” Mortal Kombat. But how they are chasing the Marvel cinematic universe. Timelines are simply alternate universes. The Kamidogu are simply Infinite Gems and Havok is Magwai from the 1980s Gremlins movies.
DO NOT DERAIL THE THREAD.
Such discussions will simply lead to moderators shutting things down. So please keep it focused.
Feminine females and Masculine males. Will we see a return of this?
Within the World of Warcraft and the Games Industry as a whole.
World of Warcraft is a fantasy story and should not reflect real life issues. In this regard I agree with the OP.
Respectfully, there is a fine line between trolling and having a conversation, but because there are so many trolls around nobody takes these threads seriously.
And I mean, boring is subjective. Some folks might get a kick out of it.
I believe there is a game out there for every single individual.
The fact that people stil gravitate towards older games has to do both with the quality of the product as well as a majority mindset.
It works, unfortunately.
Discussions such as these are moderated heavily and will get a lock almost immediately.
As far as real life goes, censorship exists in many ways and freedom of speech ends when it hurts someone else’s feelings.
Pretty much never. Feminine bodies are and will always be popular. It is in our genes after all.
I think politics will inevitably infiltrate in all types of entertainment be it games, movies or music, it’s how the mindset of a society is shaped. It doesn’t happen instantly, rather it takes years of constant exposure.
That is not always a bad thing.
My daughter has very different values and interests than me, mostly due to the internet and social media influence.
You do not have to agree with people on everything to be able to have discussions.
Interesting take. People “vote” with their purchase and the content they consume.
Dustborn opening to 81 players on launch then having 15 consecutive players in September. Compared to Black Myth Wukong opening to 2-3 million players then selling 10 million copies within the first 5 days.
The market has clearly said what they want.
There has been a ongoing rejection of “agenda” within gaming anyway.
Feminine females and masculine males does not seem to be an unreasonable ask.
Even with fantasy races it seems that androgyny is creeping in.
Pandaren Males and Females are clear and different to each other. But Dracthyr Males and Females are simply indistinguishable from each other.
It feels like Celebrating differences between the sexes vs Gender Equity.
Equity is equality of outcome. Some may believe there are no differences among Males and Females of the same species.
You are not making sense. Seems like from the beginning with your false flag report that you have been trying to prevent discussions from taking place.
My point was obvious. In response to your claim of being
Females and female characters characters have ALWAYS been part of gaming.
Bro, yes, don’t worry. When the current storyline was made, in the US it was cool to be left wing.
Now in the US it’s cool to be right wing so corporations will shift to match the vibe and you will have strong sexy muscular men again in the next expansion, it’s good.
I do think we will. A lot of young people are voting for more right, traditional and conservative parties, which to me at least is an interesting, if also somewhat worrying, phenomenon. I’m guessing it’ll affect these kind of things, even if it may take some time.
To be clear, I wouldn’t mind that in this specific area. I don’t mind lgbtq+ characters, or strong and tough ladies, or men having emotions and talking about it, I think the fact these things have become more mainstream, more normal, is great. Hamfisted storytelling, progressiveness for the sake of progressiveness, token characters with the depth of a puddle make me itch tho.
Ah it seems that the false flag reports has caused the thread to become “hidden”.
Congratulations for hindering discussions.
It is not “Trolling”. I used the means provided to facilitate ongoing discussions if the player base was not interested then there would not be many threads concerning these topics or people tuning into the discussions.
Censorship is alive and well.
Even if Moltensage is censored and banned people will still have such discussions.
You are mistaken. Games studios was being closed down as some content did not sell. Saint’s Row Reboot 2022 is an example of this. Voition studios is dead as is the Saint’s Row franchise. Once considered a rival to Grand Theft Auto.
To explain properly. It is not about what is considered “Cool” but it is all about what actually sells.
Something similar happened to the Comic Books Industry. Many Comic Book stores closed down forever as the content activists were pushing just did not sell.
Sexual Dimorphism is the study of the differences between males and females of the same species.
Only Lions have a mane but Lionesses does not.
Some species of Spiders the females are several times larger than males.
Male and female has always been a choice given to gamers quite literally for decades now. So. If there are no differences between males and females. There quite literally is no point in giving players that choice.
From the appearance to the animations.
This is why it is a mistake to have an Androgynous race.
Humans - Orcs - Tauren - Trolls - Gnomes - Goblins - Night Elves - Blood Elves - Worgen - Zandalari Trolls - Draenai and Lightforged Draenai - Even the Undead Forsaken.
World of Warcraft is a roughly 20 year franchise. So why is it that after almost 2 decades Male and Female is problematic enough to try and abolish it?
Looking at your profile picture I genuinely can not tell if you are a Male or Female Dracthyr.
Feminine soldiers also exist. Look at Garonna Halforcen. One Assassin changed history. Stormwind will not have fallen was it not for Garonna. She was quite literally a slave with Guldan and Cho’Gall knowing the words of power to rob her of her will.
While we must be careful about giving censors an excuse to shut down the thread.
There is more of a return to form.
Simply put games with a high DEI and ESG score does not sell. Otherwise Concord and Dustborn will have a player base. Compared to Stellar Blade and Black Myth Wukong. The newer releases such as Dragon Age Veilguard opens to roughly 72k players.
Yes I agree. Politics and Ideology is what content is being filtered through.
Good LGBT characters actually exist. But you find them in One Piece. Imperio Ivankov for example. Non Western content creators are free to produce good content.
Men / Males have always had emotions. To correct you. It was for a long time considered “socially acceptable” that only the female expression of emotions was acceptable. Males and females will always be different to each other including how emotions are expressed. Which is why Anduin Wrynn with the War Within expansion.
The character assassination is on par with 2017 Disney Star Wars portrayal of Luke Skywalker.
Oh my goodness gracious, talk about missing the point.
Dracthyr is artificial life, they don’t reproduce, they were not created for a society, they were created to be Neltharions own soldiers, there is literally no need for them to be female or male, all they need to be is a soldier capable of fighting, with both benefits of mortal and dragons, their DNA was quite literally spliced.
As for why they have it ingame is literally just voice + visage (icky)
I agree with you. I think the confusion may stem from the fact all human beings struggle with very similar emotions, emotions are not gendered in that sense. Expression is more so tho, and it’s not all ‘toxic masculinity’.
It’s a difficult subject because I do think men generally speaking learn from early on noone cares about their emotions. And when you have to deal with everything by yourself, you naturally appear more stoic and reserved.
Yet, again generalising, men are more stable emotionally, have smaller peaks both up and down when it comes to the emotional spectrum. That difference is hormonal, and hardwired into us. In a way it seems rather strange saying things like that is so controversial, when biology is pretty clear
Please be careful about giving devs an excuse to close the thread.
But to respond: Woke content simply does not sell.
There are lists being developed informing people of content that pushes such “agendas” leaving it up to the people to make an informed choice of if they purchase or not.
This is a strange take.
Warlords of Draenor trailer showed a legitimate threat. Hellscream leaping through a wall of flames to bury Gorehowl in the face of Mannaroth the Pit Lord.
For the Alliance it was a worthy opponnent.
Samas Aran is a female character. Final Fight and the American version Streets of Rage had Posion since the 1990s.
Miss Pacman is a female of…Whatever species Pacman is.
The the censors that are literally pushing censorship are laying that they are not censoring discussions.
You joyfully declared how you reported the thread.
You censors will have to censor probably hundred of people across multiple sites discussing such topics.
All that is needed are like minded people in positions of power to facilitate your censorship. But discussion continues.
Perhaps free speech will return again. Who knows.
Toxic masculinity is a f3m1n1$t term that simply describes masculine behaviour thoughts and actions that are not approved by females or offends their sensibilities. It goes hand in hand with tone policing and such.
More like only the female expression is acceptable the male expression is “problematic”.
This is more objective though. Males in high stress situations far outperform females in high stress situations.
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the differences between Males and Females. As both compliment each other.
I acknowledged that females will always be superior to males concerning social situations.
Take for example: The Last Stand.
Across time - Nations - Languages. The act of men hopelessly outnumbered against odds that they can never overcome has always and will always appeal to males more than females.
Broxxigar the Red. He is a legend because of Males both Alliance and Horde. Not only did he face endless numbers of Demons but was the only mortal to wound Sargeras the Titan that defeated the rest of his kin.
Alexanros Morgraine. Too many underestimate the threat that the Scourge once posed to all of the living. But with his conviction in the Light and the strength of his body. He taught the Undead one thing they though they had forgotten. He taught them fear.
Aggralan becoming the “spiritual” mother of the Orcs is a female thing.
The Orc heritage armor quest demonstrated a return to the old ways but boldly moving on into the future.
Orcs lead the Horde just as Humans lead the Alliance.
I understand what you mean, it’s not what I meant tho. I may be biased, I’ve worked with quite a few men to resolve their traumas so that will skew my perspective. Their way of expressing themselves was different from the way women do usually, but their pain, fear, sense of powerlessness and such were just as real and as harrowing. And they had felt very alone in that, because a man is not supposed to show it. In that sense I think men’s mental health and a more open stance there is so vital. But yes, it should shape itself in its own masculine form instead of expecting a copy from the feminine one
As a woman, Broxigar and the Last Stand are 100% enjoyable to me too. I think for women this may resonate just as much, just as instinctively, just like great storytelling from a female perspective may resonate very much with men. I think where there is respect and affection, it’ll go both ways naturally.
I think perhaps that may be part of the issue, that some of the storytelling these last few years has come from an idea of how we should think and feel, instead of it being rooted in who we are, as a species. And then it’ll simply fall flat, because it can’t resonate.
It is easy to prove you a liar. My post history I don’t often make threads. Think the last one was: Making a case for Kul Tiran Paladin.
I am simply explaining to the reading audience that people like you are: Enemies of Free Speech that Champion Censorship.
Even though the time of the thread was late. People still engaged. If there was no interest in such topics then simply put nobody would engage in the thread.
But you come to General Discussions thread just to hinder and prevent General Discussions all because you and those like you does not approve of the topics being discussed.
Males do reach out to and help other males. But what will speak to males does not speak to females and vice cersa.
If you are one of these mythical “girl gamers” then understand you are an anomoly.
To explain. Despite the target audience being female children there are men that enjoy My Little Pony Friendship is Magic for what it is they are called Bronies.
The term Whamen was created as a way to mock the ideal of what some think women should be not how and what they actually are.
For example makers of the Marvels and Madame Webb was convinced that they produced content by women for women. But these box office failures once you looked at tickets sold. Does not appeal to Women as Women did not show up to watch it…in enough numbers to make it a box office failure.
It is also the portrayal of Black and non White characters - LGBT characters.
They are pushing politically and ideologically (DEI and ESG mandates) versions of Black and non White - Women - LGBT characters.
For example. Gender Swapped Cyrax in Mortal Kombat Khaos Reigns. Black people around the world including Black Africans do not sound like they come from the fictional nation Wakanda of the Black Panther movies. Yet the Wakandan accent is what is pushed. Including with Tanya. 100% of the Black female characters of Mortal Kombat reboot comes from Wakanda?
I explain it this way to demonstrate that activists in positions of power are simply out of touch with the demographics of people that they are actively pandering to.
There is also a larger trend. Boy franchises for everybody are turned into girl franchises for nobody.
It is the trope of replacing the male character or franchises with females.
Like Gears of War 1 to 3 was replaced with generic forgettable Brown Female character in Gears 4 and 5. Wolfenstein Young Blood was replaced with his daughters both “strong female characters” [insert Californian accent] Totally having fun killing n0zi$ and stuff.
When that happens you lose the audience.
Blade the Vampire Slayer. It is delayed because they would have made Blade inferior to the new strong female character. The trope of making male characters sidekicks in their own show.
Indiana Jones and the dial of destiny. James Bond no time to die.
These are more examples of the same practices. Practices that are taking place now within the World of Warcraft.
Look at the 7th Legion of the Alliance forces. The best among the Alliance. Mixed with Humans - Night Elves - Gnomes - Dwarves Men and Women.
Now look at the Earthern Dwarves in the War Within. Their troops have females as front line soldiers and males at the back.
The trope of tearing down the male so that they can not outshine the female is become more common place.
A return to normal. Where males and females complimented each other instead of what is being pushed an adversarial dynamic and pushing feminine males and masculine females.
Most people want World of Warcraft to be just about World of Warcraft and nothing that resembles current day trends of one direction or another.
However more and more gamers the last few years became aware of the patterns that are associated with compliance to groups who care more about messaging than quality storytelling.
But I agree with those who believe that the WoW forums are no place for discussing these things though. The best way to send a clear message back to Blizzard is with that text box that accompanies the unsub option. Money talks louder than forum posts
