I hope the last awc matches show how much feral has been left behind in terms of survivability a hybrid class getting outhealed by warriors and all other pure dps specs . Blizzard needs to take a serious look at the spec general tree at this point it needs a whole rework
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Reworking the general tree will probably require a whole new patch, months of testing etc. We don’t even need a rework of the general tree, we just need regrowth + regen to actually heal. Remove the PVP nerf for regen and buff regrowth by 100% and maybe that will be enough for now to keep us on par with other classes.
It is a joke that I need to use 5 combo points, use a GCD a all I get for that is 10-15k HP. I can spam regrowth every finisher and I will still do less healing than a Ench / Elem shams Earth Shield or Healing Totem.
I had a post somewhere where I showed an arena where I casted 10+ regrowths and that was less than a single Earth Shield cast. All my healing combined with regen, regrowths, regen proc + natures was less than a single healing totem from a sham.
Warlocks passively outheal everyone, Warriors have heal built into their rotation, DH leeches like crazy, Shamans actually heal like crazy if they need to, but ferals that actually waste 10-20 GCDs per game to heal don’t heal. This is I think the only hybrid class that is actively wasting GCDs on healing and is still at the bottom under everyone else. Everyone else just does x2-x3 your heling from passives.
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Sure. Nerf its damage and then we can have a reasonable discussion about survivability buffs 
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Classes that out heals feral do way more damage than a feral actually. Only games where it was too damage was Vs demo lock where he had pad damage from pets. Feral ST is lower then any other classes that heals more than him. Mobility ? Doesn’t help so much when 2 melees run over you anyway
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Ferals are not doing crazy amounts of DMG. When they play the ST build they are very often at the bottom of the charts - look at some Snuupy games, one of the best ferals out there and his DMG often is at the bottom or mid tier even in games where he trigger 10 free frenzys.
When you play a full pet / melee lobby the AoE build can actually do DMG, but again it’s AoE DMG so you are sacrificing your ST pressure to do little bit more DMG spread out between multiple targets and against good healers burst is a lot better than AoE DMG.
People claim that feral has mobility, but if you look at other classes they have just as much mobility or other tools like AoE grip, AoE slows, ranged slows, ranged CC.
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then nerf fury warri directly by 45% thanks.
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AWC perfectly showed us what feral has become - the cyclone spam bot.
In the games of MyWay vs Casual Grandads:
Game 1:
Warlock 9.4mln DMG 1.6mln heal
Hunter 8.4mln DMG 1.3mln heal
Feral 5.7mln DMG 280k heal
Mage 5.2mln DMG 1.5mln heal
Game 2:
Warlock 10mln DMG 2.2mln heal
Hunter 8.9mln DMG 1.1mln heal
Mage 7.8mln DMG 1.6mln heal
Feral 7.4mln DMG 930k heal
Game 3:
Hunter 13mln DMG 1.3mln heal
Warlock 10mln DMG 3.6mln heal
Mage 10mln DMG 2.1mln heal
Feral 8.8mln DMG 998k heal
Game 4:
Feral 12mln DMG 1mln heal
Warlock 8.8mln DMG 3.6mln heal
Hunter 8.7mln DMG 1.2mln heal
Mage 8.2mln DMG 1.8mln heal
In the games of MyWay vs Nicebeam:
Game 1:
Hunter 12mln DMG 950k heal
Boomkin 11mln DMG 1.8mln heal
Warrior 10mln DMG 2.5mln heal
Feral 7.2mln DMG 1.4mln heal
Game 2:
Boomkin 12mln DMG 1.2mln heal
Hunter 10mln DMG 650k heal
Warrior 8.9mln DMG 3.1mln heal
Feral 4.9mln DMG 1.5mln heal
Game 3:
Hunter 5.5mln DMG 125k heal
Warrior 4.8mln DMG 1.3mln heal
Boomkin 3.9mln DMG 1.8mln heal
Feral 3.6mln DMG 1.1mln heal
In the games of LiL vs F Tier:
Game 1:
Feral 25mln DMG 1.4mln heal
Monk 19mln DMG 3.9mln heal
Shaman 17mln DMG 8.7mln heal
Augmen 17mln DMG 7.3mln
I think this already show us the pattern I wanted to show everyone.
- Ferals have no healing and low DMG even in AWC.
- Our DMG is only high in our AoE build with people stacking and beyond that they are bottom of the chart.
- Our healing even when actively using CDs, casting regrowths behind the pillar, running in bear form is at the very bottom. Other classes are doing 2x, 3x, 4x even 5x our healing and sometimes passively.
- Most of the games above the feral was free to roam cause he was not the kill target and he still is the bottom of DMG and healing. When the feral was the kill target we saw 2 fast games where he spent most of the game running away from everyone. In those games he ended up doing half the DMG of other players and lowest healing even though he was spam casting regrowth, bear form, regen etc.
- AoE build + Aug buffing your DMG + all melee enemy team makes feral look OP, but it’s not actually the feral it’s the Aug doing the magic and the games are 10min cause feral can’t kill and it’s all about AoE and running the enemy healer out of mana at 50%+ dampaning. Aug is the only reason why the feral can survive and still the feral only barely survived the games with two people focusing on keeping him alive.
- Ferals role in AWC was Cyclone / CC bot.
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u also forgot the perfect pre kite and the cordinated Scatter shot into Cyclone, so the feral have some Secounds to Breath.
otherwise, the fury warri would have killed him way earlier
and at the end he died while Frenzy Regeneration was up, this thing Healed for nothing.
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I’d be happy if they give Regrowth and Rejuvenation 150% and Swiftmend an additional 20-30% and buff Frenzied Regeneration to 25%.
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I have given up on my feral in 2s. Class seems super punishing to play - all about fake casting clones - does 0 healing - when you spam heal - fury does still more healing with the 3 button rotation. Feral rotation ist also quite complex managing bloodtalons with biteprocs, fixation, sudden ambush, Moment of clarity, spending the insta roots. Im not the greatest WoW Player as I play my 2nd active season - but I got higher in 2s in my 2nd day of sub rogue. And my survival chills over 200 rating higher, even so I played feral resto alot more in the past.
And if fury warrior does finde at the highest rating you can Imagine how well it does in the plastic League
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Blizzard is immune to testing…they’ve managed to avoid it for many years ^^
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Not to be that guy, but warrior has 1.5m cd wall, feral has 2x 50% wall and barskin every minute, id arguebly pick 2x wall + barkskin over ignore pain.
Thats just not true - feral has one 50% wall every 3min and barkskin gives you dstance for few seconds without the DMG Nerf. There is a reason that most people always focus feral.
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They absolutely are.
XD
Meanwhile the actual S tier Ferals like Twinkle put Feral in S tier in every single rated bracket. Interesting.
Other way around pal. Holy Paladins and Holy Priests love playing against Burst damage. No game above 1800 is being won on burst damage, they’re being won after 10 minutes of attrition from dampening, rotting, and ooming.
It’s not a claim, it’s a fact.
So let me get this straight:
Ferals want some of the best damage, best mobility, best CC in the game, and they want survivability buffs as well? I suggest keybinding Bear Form and finding a pillar, you might break out the 1600 bracket 
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Where is the best damage ? Get a fury warrior and a windwalker tunnelling you from when the gate opens and try to do the most damage
Have you even played feral or you just try it on dummies ? Or you died as an so to feral? Skill issue I guess
Twinkle? The guy plays only FOTM comps 24/7 and he is playing his ret since one month almost … Interesting if his class is so good he should push now
Sorry but if you snupy opinion doesn’t matter when he is a multi R1 feral then why you should listen yours? Are you even playing the game ? You peaked 2k max in your wow career so please mate nobody wants to be rude but maybe you re watching to much television
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Who said it does the best damage?
Venruki says WW is unplayable vs casters. Is that wrong?
Twinkle is better than Snupy btw. Comfortably.
2961 but good try!
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Meanwhile, my alt SP:
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Shush. You’re just mad your main has tanked 200 rating. All good bro, another 400 games played on it and you might get it back and get your first non solo shuffle 2.4
I don’t see no pictures about you and your experience sorry I can’t believe you
Feel free to go to check-pvp and type in Veetea - Ravencrest and you can have a nice little stalk around
I’m gutted that a hardstuck 2k solo shuffle feral with negative win rates in 3s at 1900 that hasn’t been above 2.4 in 3s wouldn’t believe me though 
Of course a SL S2 gladiator 
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And an extra 3 from 3 other seasons. I’m not seeing a single Gladiator or even a single 2400 in 3s on your profile in spite of you having 10 characters and participation in 6 seasons across 3 expansions? Must be bugged.