No but its a topic on the forum, which is open for discussion, and I have brought up the paint that Elves have been receiving too much attention and its time to focus on something else for a change.
Its not a crime. I just tired of seeing the same threads begging for a little more and a little more.
I donât believe they have, but they should. The more popular races should receive more attention. If more people play them, they shoudl have more options.
Iâm not saying other races shouldnât receive attention and improvements so they become more attractive to players too⊠they hould. but currently many people love the fantasies and stories of the elven groups and their looks.
THis should be properly exploited and developed, so to for others.
But as I pointed out above, elves havenât gotten more than other races, and inf act it is non elf races that have gotten the most ⊠the fact that it is the elf races that occassion the most comment tells.
Finally you are being disingenuous, you are counting 4 races as one, if you considered all the attention Trolls, zandalari, Orcs and Magâhar receive as one group, then that is 4 times as much attention as Mechgnomes or Goblins - off course itâs going to seem the Trolls receive more attention, because you are unfairly comparing four races.
The better comparsion would be to compare Nightborne attention to Mechagnomes rather than all elves to mechagnomes, and we know mechagnomes got WAY WAY more options than Nightborne did when they launched. Wasnât that unfair on Nightborne?
You see how stupid these âunfairâ debates are? Just propose what youâd like to see for what you like, add why if you must, and hope for the best, others who share your view will comment.
I donât like the eyes and corruption stuff, but man these skin colors and hairstyles (the starcursed ones) ARE SICK! I mean, not a lot of people play Alliance these days, but I still do occasionally and the Void Elves are still my favorite race so Iâd love to be able to customize my toons like that. Give us what we want Blizz, ty.
Nobody is going to be playing alliance if they donât facelift the faction and fill it with some really cool stuffâŠ
Iâve largely focused on elves, cos I like them, so have seen a lot of cool suggestions, the void cursed hair above for void elves, the star effects and tattoos for nighte lves in the other thread, doing a pretty sick super cool city for void elves and night elves too⊠stuff like that would really help.
Ofc, doing cool things for dwarves and draenei⊠Elves are popular ofc, so if you really add cool stuff fans will go ape for it, but you also want dwarves and draenei to be cool⊠and sof ar theyvve been mediocre on he things theydo for all the alliance races⊠really good that void elves got high elf stuff, but no void improvements. I thought the void eyes were sick tho.
Another thread suggested some really cool races for the alliance too⊠they need thatlevel of calibre and coolness to attract players to it Players arenât going to play alliance if itâs races, especially itâs best ones arenât that cool and get trashed around all the time or just absent , substittuted with more humans.
If you want to draw horde players to the alliance, you have to make itâs non human races, really cool too, so horde players would have a tough time picking one, and the hope is some may end up playing the alliance more, but ultimately theyâd have more reasons to come back to warcraft, whether horde or alliance.
For Blood Elves:
More phoenix-based features - whether itâs jewelry or tattoos. We need emphasis on phoenixes.
If on tattoos, then it could be a fel-green, red, purple, golden or blue.
Agreed. Phoenix is to blood elves what stars & moon are to night elves or void tendrils to void elves
You kinda need racial based things represented. That are baed on themes that characterise each race. Every race has some really cool things I hope they will bring out.
what female belf need is proper long hair with no clipping too
and of course more belf 2h weapons swords spears and same 1h/shield from silvermoon guard npcs
tho the one odd time alliance raid was in silvermoon
the npc"death" for these guards felt like the male nelf death animation because it was lol
More Arcane Sanctums and maybe Manaforge-like buildings, within QuelâThalas.
Not actual Manaforges, but something that looks similar. Maybe where we see Blood Elven Arcane Mastery truly take off.
To be honest, I want more in a blood elf city⊠look the beauty of ZinâAzshari and Suramar is night elven, there is a grandness to it that stands above, but it has that idyllic delicate but greco roman ancient feel to it.
A blood elf city is sort of an evolution. In on e respect they didnât have quite the finesse and grandeur of the night elves, but they advanced, and capturing some of it, also did new things, like the floating towers. This fits a group that wasnât able to match or recover much of the knoweldge the night elves of the north lost (whom they were a part of too till their exile), but in starting again, had to kind re do from scracth.
So I expect, more modern feel, slightly simpler buildings but beautiful none the less, mixed with some old style greco-roman night elf looking stuff too. in their gold and red.
These images are from the movie coma âŠand I immediately thought of the blood elves.
See, itâs got some of the old, but not quite the scale and grandeur of the night elves, yet itâs got some new they never did, spectacular buildings, a bit more like our modern world, , not as intricately detailed, but still spectacular, including floating towers.
I donât know.
That feels like a combined High Elf/Human City.
I get more of a cross between Stormwind and Zin-Azshari, than I do of QuelâThalas and the Sinâdorei.
Hayven Games (RIP), created restored versions of QuelâThalas, which (with some updates to the Sanctums across QuelâThalas and other areas), is what Iâm looking for.
That has always been the high elf concept, itâs the better, higher grade version of human.
for nigiht elves what they did is try to create something more distinct, more elven, more removed, - this is why you have night city, a star an dmoon focus, and you have much more magic, whethe ritâs arcane (pre-sundeirg) or nature⊠but you also have more extremes⊠they tried to create a group of elves that were off course older and had more to them.
The reason people are so resistanct to night elves is because they are on one faction (until nightborne anyway), and therefore perceived as alliance, so i f you liked horde you had to hate them and resistance and not want anything good for them.
This gets in the way of what their original concpet was in WC3 and the lore of WotA, they were/are big enough to be an entire faction of theirown, not just some human allies⊠they were made to be that.
in a sad way, fitting them to the alliance, meant cutting them down, especially when horde development had to take priority to boost the horde, they suffered. And what is very grating is that now itâs the alliance that needs teh boost, yet the sentiment is now âboosting alliance races wonât do anythingâ⊠wtf? Ofc if you improve the alliance and make it more attractive, people will want to play it.
The refusal to me jsut shows they cba, and have no motivation for it. And itâs their fault entirely, so into boosting the horde, you have no motivation to be inspired for the alliance or even the races anymore.
I think thatâs pretty much what the high elves are⊠Itâs all part of the original alliance set up. iBut in warcraft, human civilization is elevated and influenced by the elves not the other way round, although by design, the highe vles are a better version of humans,⊠so they took a portion of the nicer more elven bits, and greatly multiplied it o make a purer elven rae⊠the night elves, which is the original elven race.
And the lore has the ngihte lves haveing an elven civilziation , long before the high elves came to be and build theres, and much earlier than the humans. so being elves from that original night elven civilziation, the high elves would have that influence, but htey would also have human influence because they are part of the alliance ( or rather humans would be influenced by their new desiigns and ways.
The much more night elven looking Quelâdanis⊠this must be the first city built, and the old version, updated over time⊠if you look at this artistic impression (not canon btw as the comics prove), it has a much more night elven feel,
It sasys Quelâthalas on chronicles, but this could be a night elven city like ZinâAzshari⊠becauseitr eally looks centred around a well, and the geography doesnât fit silvermooon⊠for starters silvermoon is far way from teh sunwell itself, and Quelâdanis and magisterâs terrace isnât this developed⊠but still thatâs the image given,⊠it could have been a recolouring of zinâazshari
Then we have the modern version of Silvermoon and blood elf architecture
Much more towers
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No - itâs QuelâThalas.
The Highborne never had large ships or anything like that.
The Night Elves never had a notable fleet like the Thalassian Elves did.
WE know so little of what the pre-sunderingf kaldorei had (not just the highborne - the highborne are simply the upper caste rulers in that era, and after that era passes, only their communities like in Eldreâthalas keep teh designation⊠that is until the Daranssians make a pact with them, and theyâve revived it, largely now a mage centred Order, more so than a caste).
Still we donât know. ZinâAzshari while having the Well of Eternity, also boarded a hug elake, but then it isnât the seaâŠso you wouldnât need great navies like the civilizaionts that arose after the sundering whoâd have much more water to cross⊠so it could be consistent.
There would have been night elven communties on the ocean shores⊠liike those in Desolace and Darkshore, Feralas even are at the ende of the super contintent, so they could have had far more developed navies
what is clear though, is that if they did, itâs definitely one of the things lost. Afterall, those in Eldreâthalas donât venutere out their city for 10,000 years, so if they had maritime expertise, it was lost to everyone else but them.
MEanwhile botht he Darnassiasn and the thalasisans who develop after their exile from them, would have been missing this knoweldge and had to redevelop. The Darnassians are in isoaltion iin the forests protecting the well, their is no need for nval activity. or much naval activity. I presume the war of the SHifting Sands was the only major event that took them south, and i think it was mianly druids invovled with that, but sentinesl may have been too- donât remember.
TheThalassians however, along with humans and all that fighting and competing, would likely have a much stronger navy or more developed. I donât think it would be a sophisticated as any developed during the kaldorei empire (if any was - I say this because you must remember that the elves of this era are generallyfar more advanced than the night elves and high elves post sundering) - not becasue thes urvivors werenât capabile, but part of the reason is choice (night elves) and circumstances (blood elves).
STill yes, theyâd have a much stronger navy, although the pictures arenât any iron clad verification of this., so from that perspective alone, it isnât enough to say for sure that this is Quelâthalas on that premise alone.
A better indication is tall buildiginsâŠkaldorei civilziation isnât too big on those. Yes you have them, obivously - we knew this from the original ruins in the old model versions, but we see tall buildings in Surmar, ZinâAzsahri and Narâthalas, however they arenât that common, you odnâ thave that many twoers and spires (which is a bit weird, cos youâd think theyâd want to reach the stars - but maybe thathâs more done via magic than tall buildings - but then I always associated loving trees became a thing because before building a civilization, climbing them would bring you closer tot he stars the night elves loved, and so the tree love develops and is linked to the star love.
so when building cities, youâd have tall buildings⊠but then they do, itâs just that they are huge and wide, rather than having many towers.
The blood elves have lots of towers in comparison. And floating buildings,
it could be Silvermoon, and thatâs just not the Sunwell beam at the top, but a small pool of magical power blasting off the palace.
Blizzard confirms itâs QuelâThalas, from their authorised Chronicles book.
Get over it and stop trying to rob from the Thalassians and give to the nelfs. Your not Blizzard. Youâve got your picture of a belt world. This is the Thalassian world.
Their are no other locations barring Silvermoon and the Sunwell Plateau, with ocean between them. The distance is likely smaller in the novel. I mean, look at W3 - the Sunwell was in Silvermoon during that game.
I was questioning if that was a labelling mistake âŠbut itâs a minor issue, we all assume itâs Quelâthalas and kinda have adjusted our perception although it doesnât look high elven at all.
It may perhaps have been the first version before the current architectural models happened as the time progressed and thy became high elves and started doing things differently. So you have Silvermoon having a mixture of old kaldorei looking stuff, but also a lot of new stuff that you wonât see in any kaldorei city, because thatâs something theyâve developed.
You have to note they were not isolated unlike the kaldorei groups. Every kaldorei group we know of was isolated and built nothing for 10,000 years.
Darnassus is the first city built by any kaldorei group in 10,000 years, and it makes 0 changes from itâs ancient architecture. This makes sense, not only because the people who built those cities and ancients are still around, but also because in isolation, theyâve had no mixture, and the long vigil task of that group offered them no means or time to sit down and build cities and settle. When you are dealing with wild gods and dragons who live in lairs and open ground, rather than humans and draenei, you donât really need or have use for a city.
And basically every other group on Kalimdor you come across is just millennia behind you, you are hardly going to have a new or evolved architectural style
you donât build anything, so nothing evolves from 10,000 years - usually new buildings and styles come when new people, younger generations continue building and building and try new things⊠people who donât build wonât have come up with new things
People who donât mix and interact also will not have come up with new things either, often enough interactions can influence your style, can also give you new ideas, inspire you⊠in isolation this wouldnât happen
Also arrogance is a great deterrent, you wonât learn from other cultures if you consider them lesser and far beneath you.
The Thalassians are the only elven group that interacted with other race - fighting trolls, working with humans, and gnomes and dwarves, collaborations happened a lot, plus they were not immortal, they had subsequent generations, and they built, so they would have come up with new styles and iterated on the old
it is quite possible it is how Silvermoon or Quelâdanis first looked, and over the centuries and millennia has just changed to what we have now.
However, labelling mistakes do happen. oh they do, as well as conceptual errors, the artist could have been told to draw elves, and shown night elf stuff, or interpreted the context as well, since those who became high elves were first night elves when they land, their first city is going to reflect the kaldorei architecture, and drawn accordingly.
Who knows. Iâm just exploring.
And itâs not, otherwise Blizzard would have confirmed this.
How many years has Chronicles Volume 1 been out?
Before the Sunwell Plateau was destroyed by Arthas.
Donât forget - in TBC - the Plateau itself was still under construction for being rebuilt.
Again - how many years has this book been out? If Blizzard hasnât confirmed itâs error by now, then I think we can safety say that the picture is QuelâThalas.
The ocean and the view of the ships is pretty much, solid confirmation.
Again, night elves never had a large navy, in the times of their Empire. Plus - their wasnât nearly as much water, near their locations.
All those lands that you see that are currently off the coast were once nowhere near the coast. Darkshore and EldreâThalas are two examples of this, as we know Azuremyst and Bloodmyst Isle were part of the original Kalimdor and how far out are they, from current Darkshore.
Oh please, would they though? Sometimes the never correct a mistkae, sometimes only when they actually come back to the lore or material and then someone calls them out on it, and they go⊠oh actually that was a mistake, weâre correcting it.
Of course they would.
Why label something as QuelâThalas, the playerbase states itâs QuelâThalas only to then turn around 6 years later and say, âOh itâs not QuelâThalas, itâs a mistake.â
Look at the night elf fan, who wrote the Elegy novella for BFA. He forgot about Sinâdorei age and the quests in Ghostlands. The latter of which, he acknowledged, only days later after the novella was released.
It defintiely wonât be before the sunwell plateau was destroyed by ArthasâŠ
Read my explanation above⊠at best htis would be the early version of the city that would have chagned over time.
The blood elves havenât built a new when we meet them in 2.4, theyâre only been repairing what was broken, and that looks very different.
You could be correct but it doesnât really add up, so slim chance⊠but you still could be correct that this is how it looked just before Arthas destroyed.
I never said âjust before.â I was talking in the general sense of, this is how it simply looked before the Third War as a whole.