FIX HORDE BG QUEUES PLEASE - Worse than R14 grind

I don’t recall that. Either I was in a lucky battlegroup, or you were in an unlucky one. I swapped servers (and battlegroups) 3 times during WotLK however and I always had a max queue of 5min. Regardless, it was never as bad as ~1hr consistently

On that we agree. It’s just a question of how many. If it’s less than 5% of the total Alliance population, it probably isn’t a reason fro concern though.

Yeah, that is true. I just want to do my best to try and make the game enjoyable for everyone. I also think Horde being able to enter BGs would lead to less open world ganking (won’t disappear but it’d be less). There’s some insane honor/hr calculations going around now with the queues being this long, and a lot of thirsty Horde stuck in long queues on faction imbalanced PvP servers. I think putting them in BGs quickly would do both factions good, to some extent

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Your personal reasons don’t matter. This is what you get for choosing the faction that was doomed to be more popular in TBC, particularly in BGs.

That said, I wouldn’t mind if they implement paid faction H->A swaps, or even free on some unbalanced servers. They, however, shouldn’t add Horde perks (like Horde vs Horde BGs or more honor gains), because it’ll mess the balance further. If there are some custom #somechanges, they could instead add some extra incentives for Alliance players to queue BGs more.

Here is a possible long term solution, that if hyped enough can be quick one too.

you cant expect people to reroll, i think most people rather stop playing than leveling from fresh

horde v horde is not a perk, its the only way since alliance dont pvp.
Yall just mad cos you suck at pvp go play the game instead of arguing against a fix for a horrible situation

Check my argument above

That’s an interesting proposal if I’ve ever seen one but I see a couple of issues:

  1. It is changing a lot more in the game than just allowing Horde to queue against Horde in BGs, and considering how most people are either strictly nochanges or somechanges (that being only necessary changes to carry out the actual design intention that was in place back in the day), it might not be very well received overall.

  2. It might not solve the issue. If anything it puts the two factions in balance regarding racials, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the PvP activity of overall Alliance will go up by an amount that will reduce Horde queue times by a large margin. It COULD, but it’s far from guaranteed.

Of course, Bub. You can tell Santa that the PvP servers are horde dominated because “many” of you chose horde to play with their friends.

We all know the vast majority of you chose horde because of the PvP advantages and only a small percentage actually chose horde because they like it or because their friends chose horde.

Its your problem, so either cry further or change to alliance if you want to play pvp. Shouldnt be a problem, just tell your friends if they are as frustrated as you. Or do you not want to, because alliance has worse racials?

Nah, now you will come up with the excuse that you dont have time to level up another character, even though you had obviously more than enough time to level up your first character, who cant do any PvP right now, because you and many other people werent intelligent enough to expect this outcome.

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As with rank 14 you have the perfectly viable option not to farm it if you prefer.

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“worse than rank 14 grind” yes, no you are wrong.

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Why can’t i? i did… i had a orc warrior, realised ques was a problem for me so levelled alliance.

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Nothing to fix the game is working as intended.

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How can anyone possibly come and say that “This is what you get for choosing the most advantageous faction in TBC”.

I’ll say it, thats what you get for rolling an overpopulated class…

If you dont like it, the answer is already there, roll Alliance or quit, either way its a small step to fixing the queue for all the others on Horde.

Classic has been about min/maxing everything since it began, and to many it seems min maxing meant having certain advantageous racials. 25% (15%) stun resist, ability to break Fear and be immune for a period of time, those two being the main culprits. Then add in a AoE silence ability.

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They can minmax advantages in pvp but they did not think about minmaxing battleground ques. Only thought half way :3

Indeed the amount of horde on here say they did not choose their race/class combo for racials is astounding, your 100% right they didn’t not even think that so many would do the same and battlegrounds was an afterthought.

Even looking at the representation on arena it’s clear that many did min max

https://drustvar.com/tbc-leaderboard/stats/eu/3v3

This shows that out of all arena games in Europe

30% of the entire playerbase both factions play undead in 3v3 this increases to 32% on 2v2 now that’s alot of players choosing undead for the lore and looks.

The closest to them are human and orc which are similar levels but there are almost half the amount compared to undead.

So to me it’s clear the undead racial is king of arena is it a suprise the horde made up 62% of all arena matches and account for the largest faction queueing battlegrounds.

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Hey @Cruentis

After reading your post and most of your comments we seem to share the same opinion, I’d be interested in your feedback on my posts and opinions here:

Also commented a lot on this idea sharing what seems to be the same logic

We have a guy in our guild who dinged 70 at his human rogue few days ago. What’s so special about him? Well he is a small streamer and a Horde main. He was leveling rogue alt on our PvE server to avoid ganks on alt from his fellow Horde from Flamegor (our region’ PvP Megarealm with others 3 dead allready), while sitting in queues on his forsaken rogue.

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