Just look at all of the posts about bugs here bugs there bugs absolutely everywhere. I know they probably don’t look at the forums anymore but why do we let them get away with all of these bugs and not create masses amounts of uproar? We pay for the game every month and yet all they give us is nothing but bugs. What I don’t get is how in the Alpha and Beta tests all of these problems don’t pop up but they all of a sudden do when it goes live. Is there anyway to just make them look and at least ACKKNOWLEDGE all of the major bugs in the game? apologies for the rant
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More bugs than Silithus - i’m reaally not interested in prepatch for the first time in years
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Like… Spamming threads? As people are doing? 
That’s just hyperbole. You’re getting plenty of other stuff.
Because PTR and Live are different environments. It’s all very technical; but they’re not the same thing. There’s also massively more people playing on Live, which just changes things when it comes to serverload and stress and all that.
I’m not excusing the amount of bugs though, to be clear. There do seem to be more than in past years; so something is obviously going on. Whether it’s a lack of QA testers or something else, remains to be seen, I guess.
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The known issues list is here:
It doesn’t contain all the bugs, but only “major” ones atm.
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I have bought a game, i expect all of it to be playable. If i buy a car, then go to drive home in it only to find out that it has no wheels, i’m going to be upset, and it would not be acceptable.
PTR and Live are meant to be the same, the same version number etc and they should be setup to handle the same relative load as Live i.e it would be very stupid to run PTR for 20 people on a server that could support 1 billion users, because there’s zero stress testing, so you would set them up to handle a % of the player base. That’s why you have a dev phase, to simulate live. Yes, there will be bugs that get through, but how did no one hand in a quest in all of the testing to see that reputation gains were bugged? there is no valid reason as to why i got through to Live, is it a fundamental of the game. There is clearly a lack of respect for the player base as they find releasing game breaking bugs to live servers for paying customers acceptable time and time again. I want to play remix, i now can’t, do you think i will get a refund for my game time or the my TWW pre-order? i don’t.
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Very clear difference, isn’t it?
Also; MMORPGs are live environments on servers with lots of people on them and many things can go wrong: As has been made evident over the last 20 years - and not only in WoW.
PTR is a testing environment. There is a very clear difference.
It’s like running tests on something in a lab with simulations or having it be out and about in the world.
Of course there is. You don’t agree with or approve of it. But that doesn’t make it any less valid.
I’ve had no issues in Remix. Weird.
What exactly is keeping you from playing?
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No, i have paid for something, i expect it to be able to achieve what i bought it for. (drive home / play remix)
Yes, when you release a patch to a test environment it can be broken, and people won’t be upset, because it is for testing. When you release something broken to a live environment that is broken, people will be upset, because they’re paying you for it.
No - there is no valid reason as to why the fundamentals of a release have not been adequately test before a live release.
Myself and few hundred (i assume more but i’m going off a forum post for facts) others are having issues where when you hand in a quest you don’t get the correct reputation, and the next step of the campaign is locked behind reputation rank, which you currently cannot reach due to the aforementioned issue.
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Soooo… You CAN play.
Just not a very specific part of it.
Right. 
I know enough.
No, i cannot play the content that i want to play. What i WANT is to play and complete the remix campaign, what i CAN NOT DO is play and complete the remix campaign. The campaign is a major part of Remix. I very much doubt that you know enough to realise that the Remix i’m referring to isn’t something DJ Khaled had a hand in. (although he probably was in charge of testing tbf)
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As much as I like to dunk on things that the dev teams screw up on, developing a game and ironing out bugs isn’t as simple as “Just fix it”.
Respectfully I never said it was
Cant wait for flood of fanboys who bought 90eur exp pack and realise game is a complete mess and unfinished on first weeks to come ragepost on forums
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Look; should it work? Definitely. Should they fix this ASAP? Yes.
Are you allowed to complain about it? Of course.
I just have an issue with people claiming wildly over-the-top things. Like you did.
That is what I have a problem with. Not with your annoyance at the bugs and all of that. I agree that there’s too many bugs for a company like Blizzard; it reflects badly on them.
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Videogames have never worked this way though. Bugs are bound to be there, they always were and always will be. Which isn’t to say that we should be fine with them, of course the important one should get fixed asap, but there is absolutely no way a complex game like WoW can be technically perfect, it’s unrealistic to expect otherwise, as it’s unrealistic to expect QA to spot all bugs and the devs to be able to fix all of them before a patch goes live.
This is the nature of the work. Report bugs, give feedback, but don’t act like this is coming out of nowhere or like you’re the only one who cares.
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Firstly i guess we can highly doubt that there is any QA left in blizzard.
secondly they sold the QA to the player base with the ptr and beta.
the players reported thousands of bugs, with many that were not fixed before they shipped the patch.
so you can say that they care more about shipping broken stuff because of a time schedule than delivering quality and polished products.
unfortunately that is the gaming industry nowadays.
it is just funny that people accept this crap because they are so addicted that they would get more upset if something is delayed rather than early shipped and broken
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The thing is… PTR is One server while Live is Many. In this patch they made quite a few changes that were cross server and as such was never possible to correctly test on PTR. I think that this kind of massive cross server and character wide changes is quite unique and probably the main reason why we got so many bugs.
internal testing and PTR/beta are two entirely different things
yes, time constraints exist, priorities exist, welcome to a world where time is limited and people have to make do with how much of it they’re given.
But it’s not just about time, a lot of bugs are bound to be known only after a patch goes live. This has always been the case, it’s not about “accepting this crap”, it’s how things have always worked because they can’t work any other way.
most people who play in beta do not give one rats trump of reporting bugs but just playing the game earlier than others
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Relax, be patient, they are obiviouly working on it and it can take time but i have hard time believing that they arent trying to fix as much as possible within the time they have.
You pay monthly for a game thats huge has millions of active players and servers that are online like 99% of the time of the year with coding thats basically ancient. Obiviously when a new big systems come to the game its gonna create bugs which take time to fix, there is no reason to sit and overact, be patient and report the bugs you encounter they will fix as much as they can in whatever order is most important
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Grow up honestly. You are trying to compare a car to a game thats actively adding more things to it. New big system changes will create bugs and not everything can be tested on PTR.
You dont put the newest tesla motor in a Yugo from the 80s and expecting it to work properly
Stop acting like the max 1 week of some bugs being there is the end of the world when its gonna be fixed and working properly for the next many years.
Silly silly man.
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