Great, Blizzard giving in to whiners and other crybabies who can’t be arsed to do anything in this game. Why? Draenor flying can be obtained in less than couple weeks with little to no effort, same for Legion, but faster, or you can take a chill, do emissaries and get it eventually.
There shouldn’t be a single question as to why the game is going downhill when such audience is being catered to. Seriously…this is an MMORPG, you want things? you work for them, instead of having them handed on a plate like breakfast…you want some toast with that as well?
As much as this will give me ideas to go back to Draenor, doesn’t this undermine the effort people put in, who played the content when it was current?
I didn’t play WoD - should I really be rewarded with flying, when I didn’t play that expansion? I don’t think so, plus - I have MoP, Cata, WotLK, TBC, Classic, Legion and BFA to choose from.
Nice logic,just because its old content lets give it for free to anyone.
Now imagine,you’ve been farming this for weeks,you get it today after quite huge grind just to see its going to be free for all the kids in the kindergarden.
Please give me Onyxia mount & Invincible,i cba run to that content,its old anyway.
I did play WoD+Legion and farmed both pathfinders.
Ive also seen my friends that started @ bfa suffering to get all these at the same time, this is a good change. We cant have new players farm for 3 xpcs before just to be “even”
Thats why catch up mechanisms exist ingame anyways
Catch up mechanics are for current expansion .
Previous expansion stuff are optimal such as achievements/transmogs etc.
Its nice to me as returning player after 2 months break to find these catch up mechanics for this braindead neck & essences but i cant compare it to giving str8 away Pathfinder around.
I mean , you can get max level if you are new player and go back to trivial things on previous expansions and farm things you like just everyone else .
I dont even have flying in BfA but i dont demand it for free.
People have sacrificed time and put effort in it,when i’ll find time i’ll go for it as well.
its not overreacting, its all about being fed up with blizzards inconsistancies. if its outdated content then they can grind old pathfinders in their spare time if they want to fly in certain areas, just like you can farm transmog, toys, mounts, etc. and why dont they just give every outdated stuff for free so people dont have to farm it and go back to outdated zones or remove it entirely? its pure cherrypicking at this point partially because some people acted as if they had to avoid a zone because they didnt have the convenience of flying. such a behavior is what I would call overreacting.
so i assume you havent read through my other comments and just went with the first one, fine, fair enough so:
why introduce something like pathfinder just to make it obsolete again (besides the obvious time waster- reason)? why make us jump through hoops for nothing?
im reeeaaaaaally ( ) excited now for shadowlands pathfinders knowing it will be all for jack sht after the expansion.
dont get me wrong, i want to make this clear for once and for all. i dont care who can fly or cant fly in older expansions, i got all my stuff when it was current. they make flying free for everyone? FINE. perfect. whatever. none of my business. dont care. im happy for them.
what i care about though is that pathfinder now feels like another artifact weapon. another heart of azeroth. another time waster throwaway token of an addon which gets kicked out as soon as its not relevant anymore.
everything feels so damn meaningless. how about giving us real, meaningful, fun content instead of pathfinder?
i wouldnt mind if they just say fine, as a compromise you wont be able to fly for one year and then we will just enable it again. maybe add a questline or something if you fancy.
i d so much rather prefer this than a timegated wq grind nightmare.
So with your logic we should have new people gear up WoD style, progress WoD style, raid WoD style to finally get the HFC mog set…
Its exactly the same thing.
What you describe would may be true if blizzard was giving free the previous exc, but giving WoD and Legion during shadowlands seems more than fine imho
But is it so ? I mean it is not about ‘every next expac’ it is this expac due to something have never done before - squish levels. they have nerfed our item levels and what not over and over, but never made us ‘tiny’ again.
Sometimes changes are reasonable, sometimes they are not. I have done more pathfinders than most here because my accounts are not linked, so if you done it once I have done it +extra every single account I have. So yes, it has been tedious on occasion. Worst offender being truly and honestly the BfA one, but I understand why they make this change.
They could of course always make pathfinder or flying in any part of world tied to story and exploration achievements and exclude rep from any part of it.
thats a possible solution, yeah. they could heavily nerf reps or make them give enough rep through story line so you hit x rep required for pathfinder when you re done.
but if level squish means leveling faster than ever, then why is flying relevant in those zones, they ll probably spend next to no time in there? you can just ding max level and get it on the side so you can fly with your next character.
i ve done it, you ve done it multiple times, a lot of people have done it, so those who havent done it yet can do it too.
In what way? There is no ‘‘suffering’’, it’s not something you need to grind even, just the daily emissary and you get it eventually. I’m astounded how people exaggerate things in this game.
I understand your view point perfectly and do not disagree, but i merely do not judging them deciding to do the way they are doing it. Also another aspect is that plenty of people have complained that this fly, dont fly etc rotation feels very desynced. And perhaps it is, i wouldn’t know since I have always done pathfinder when expansion is current.
That’s how blizzard kills the enthusiasm of loyal subs
One day their poor decisions just kill the last thing that makes people invest hours in your game: feeling their ( one more time, cause someone is stupid ) THEIR actions and time invested are getting meaningless, which wasn’t the case for classic cause there was no catch up and greens which are better than raid epics in one expansion
Make grinds less toxic to begin with and don’t nerf them, idjits
You can already do leveling in WoD,Legion or w/e zone you like the most.
I didnt say anything about progress or gearing or raid.
Beside BfA flying which i dont have,i didnt have flying current WoD either,i went back to farm it at 2017 because i had time for trivial things back then.
But even if it was trivial,i had to put some effort and grind it.
Because WoW players demand WoW1 lasts 50 years and never have a WoW2. So all grind have to be obsoleted otherwise any new player will walk in and have 50 years old pathfinders/artfacts/necklaces to grind. And no new players mean a dead game.
Who has name you spokesman of that people that have pathfinder? Because I have all pathfinders and I do not agree with you. I have all pathfinders and I agree with this change. So, stop autocalling you defensor of those people, no one has ask you to do it, because I am part of them and I do not want my pathfinders to keep being in game for new players. Just like me many other has said the same in this post. Stop talking about people wants and talk only about what you want.
People have sacrificed time and put effort in it…well, that effort is none of your corcern, let those people to talk for themselves. In the part related to what I did and my effort I only said it is best being removed.
i see. i think i misunderstood your previous comment then, im sorry.
well yes, i agree with what you said. its just that im really fed up with blizzards inconsistancies and the feeling of rugs pulled beneath my feet like for example the long boi for bogus reasons.
guess at the end of the day, the trust in this company is just gone and im always assuming the very worst.
could be one of many reasons why they did it but i know for sure that blizzard has chosen the laziest way.
i apologise if i came off as harsh or something but atm im quite hangry.