As you can see, I’ve bought BFA. I’ve bought it due to 2 reasons:
To give it one last chance. Just because, as I see, Blizzard aren’t going to change their direction of development and therefore, if I won’t be able to find some way to adapt to current design - I will need to quit this game forever, as almost all old content is destroyed by recent scaling/ilvl pruning changes.
Because patch 8.2 will be released very soon and it will bring flying, that will fix many problems with current game design. And it also will bring some new content, that looks very promising.
But 2nd major problem for me - is forced PVP-flagging in PVE mode. Some players were saying, that it isn’t possible. Some was saying, that I would be PVP-flagged, only if I would consciously go to some “wrong” place, like attack other faction’s cities. Of course I couldn’t confirm my statement, as I didn’t have BFA. But now I have it.
And guess what? Very first War Campaign quests at level 120 send me to Bridgeport. And yeah, there are lots of PVP-flagged mobs there. First of all, I couldn’t even cross bridge above it without being PVP-flagged, despite of fact, that there are no PVP-flagged mobs there. They just have so wide aggro radius, that they could flag me right from city below me. And second - I couldn’t get to one of 3 spots, where I needed to spy, without aggroing PVP-flagged mobs and getting killed and of course PVP-flagged. Just because my PVE objectives are situated just meters away from PVP-flagged mobs, so it’s almost IMPOSSIBE to get to them without being PVP-flagged.
So, yeah, forced PVP-flagging in PVE mode is 100% confirmed. I.e. purely PVE objectives force me to go to place, where there is extremely high (almost 100%) risk of being PVP-flagged.
I am not playing BfA (fortunatelly) in this account.
But I did played it for a while in another account.
I can say it’s exactly my experience as well.
That’s one of the reasons my war campaign has not been done yet.
That’s why I played a paladin in BfA, any forced PvP flagged situation made me, either wait 5 minutes or bubble and HS out
It’s almost as the game is constantly forcing you in to PvP activity, witch I despise.
If I wanted to PvP I would had chosen a PvP server not a PvE server.
You need to think of that quest as being a bit Metal Gear Solid. Watch the guard routes and time your movement. Walking over the bridge is pretty much announcing your arrival, get in the water.
See? Can’t even cross this bridge without being PVP-flagged and War Campaign quests send me back and forth. So what? Do I need to always use flightpath to cross this zone??? How stupid it is to be forced to use “flying” to avoid certain zones instead of being able to play this game “on a ground”?
I don’t care. I play in PVE mode and therefore PVE objectives shouldn’t force me into PVP situations. It’s core rule of PVE mode and it’s violation means, that Blizzard aren’t competent enough to understand their PVE players. There should be other ways to punish me instead of PVP flagging. Killing me isn’t enough, yeah?
I don’t know, how to explain it better. I want to play PVE game. I don’t want to go to PVP content. And therefore I just wouldn’t do War Campaign, if it wouldn’t be mandatory for Pathfinder. And once it’s mandatory - it’s essentially forced PVP content. We have War Mode toggle for reason. Do we?
Pvp flagging lasts all of 5 minutes and as far back as I can remember that’s always been the case. If you just walk into an enemy base you get pvp flagged by guards, that’s the game working as intended otherwise players would be free to kill npcs without anyone being able to kill them.
But I played Legion expansion and none of this issues was a problem.
Number of times my Blood Elf Hunter was PvP flagged through out all the Legion content 0.
I was questing with my Blood Elf Paladin in Nazmir and I accidentally went near a Alliance base the Npc had a long ranged weapon, which immediately flagged her for PvP and got killed by Alliance Npcs and another player.
So number of times killed in BfA due to being accidentally PvP flagged had already been 1, even before I reached level 120, in a Horde area, so much “fun”.
I played in MoP in a PvP server, in a friend’s account, he had his guild there.
There was no rewards no xp buffs no welfare gear, your reward for playing in a PvP was staying alive and knowing you levelled though a harder server.
Seeing how much forced PvP situations we have in BfA and how much “bribe” the game is handing out to people who turn on wm, feels like they want everyone to play with wm on.
I don’t like being manipulated that’s one of the reasons I made sure that bloody wm mode was turned off always and I hated the War campaign story, play trough, as hell as well.
It seems I won’t have any features unlocked, like flightpath ?
Fine. I am a vanilla player I played on a 40% mount for 75% of my playtime, I can live with that.
For the OP, you either just go through it or unsubscribe like I did.
Luckily for me the account I was playing was a secondary one.
It isn’t problem for me. I don’t want to go to other faction’s base and kill NPCs. Because I’m not one of those griefers, who kill quest NPCs or flight masters to prevent other players from playing this game properly. Problem is - I’m forced to do it by PVE objectives. And this is completely wrong. Again. We have War Mode for reason. I’ve turned it off exactly because I don’t want to do any PVP content.
Yeah, leveling content was relatively good. Even 119-120 jump hasn’t been so bad for me. But that’s due to catch up mechanic, i.e. fact, that my neck is 18lvl already. At release it should have been very bad according to my Alpha-Beta experience. But endgame is terrible. Just terrible. I just don’t know, if I will be bearable enough for me to keep playing this game. I just hope, that 8.2 content will be better and that Blizzard will never make such bad expansion, as BFA, in a future.
Legion differs from the rest of the world in that there isn’t a separation of Horde/Alliance areas within the content. We both use Dalaran but even then go into the other faction inn and you’ll get chucked out. No pvp flag as Dal is a sanctuary. Pop into Stormwind however and you’ll be flagged, that’s how the game works and always has.
Thing is you aren’t forced to do it. The whole point of the quest is for the guards to not spot you, it’s a quest all to do with being sneaky. You’re mixing gripes with the overall game with gripes about one specific quest. I’m struggling to see why you would even try to cross the bridge with the guards patrolling it when you can just go to the side and into water then watch the route the guard on the opposite side takes as well as collecting materials you can reach without going on land. It’s not a 20 second run in and kill something quest.
I personally love these kind of quests and i wish there would be more like these.
I struggle to understand why anybody wants to play the game just for boring pve fetch quests if the game would have only pve stuff i would have quit 10+ years ago.
I never had a problem with being PvP flagged - most of the time when you are PvP flagged people don’t really care, they won’t turn on PvP just to kill you. Atleast haven’t happened to me in some time. I never do that either. And it’s just 5 mins so it will go away quickly.
This is how it worked back in the day on PvE servers too though, no?
And quests that have you go to an enemy town/area have been in the game since the beginning too afaik.
Though I do remember that getting “baited” into getting pvp tagged was annoying to some back in the day, so this is in similar vein I suppose.
edit: I kinda struggle to understand the overall crux of the complaint though, since being pvp tagged in a WM-off shard isn’t really that big of a deal in practice. Is it more about the principle?
You are PvP flagged if you fail to be sneaky that is true and I’m not sure with the increased over active guard activity/range if that has had a knock on effect to that particular quest (I might have to experiment with a newly dinged). However you are NOT put into War mode. It is exactly the same as before War Mode came along. You are just PvP flagged on a shard with everyone else in War Mode OFF. The chances of you being killed by a passing Alliance are very slim. They would have to also actively PvP enable flag themselves and they wouldn’t be able to hit you accidentally.
When I did the quest it was possible not to flag the guards, and sneak around. On alts I have flagged PvP and either had to run away from the guards, kill them or be killed by them. There have been numerous sneak quests throughout the game that have meant you are killed or reset if detected. It’s not a new concept.
However it’s not forcing you to engage in PvP, it’s just getting you to sneak around an enemy base/town and not get caught. Being caught is not a big deal. You wont end up in some big PvP battle and it works exactly like ‘Normal’ servers used to.
You are literally getting flagged in a WM off shard. It’s just a flag, I have frequently run through enemy bases doing WQs and got flagged. It’s really unlikely you’ll see another player PvP enabled unless they’ve done the same thing with one of our bases. To remove the flag either use a flight path or wait the 5 mins for it to drop off. But realistically while doing that quest you can just ignore it.
Yes. It is. If you went near enemy faction towns/outposts and the NPC’s hit you, you got PvP flagged on the first hit, refreshing to 5min everytime they hit you or you hit them.
As for OP, it’s not forced PvP, you failed the quest by doing it wrong and got flagged by the guards because they spotted you. Look up a guide on youtube, of if that is simply too much effort, just quit.
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