I haven’t paid a sub since years, always playing with token so I don’t feel like I wasted my money, even tho I like the current pvp scene.
Definitely wouldn’t play if there were no tokens around.
i think they get away with it… sheerly because of the content quantity comparitively.
I mean lets really break it down between games here.
in the f2p / B2P MMORPG market, what? Wildstar, Rift, ESO, GW2, genshin impact?
Wildstar, ended. it litterally couldnt support the creation of Raid enviroments. because the f2p market basically involves putting a small group of 0 hour contracts on mediocre designers to make something
Rift. had to legit go live saying they cant afford to keep their pvp scene alive and have to concentrate on their PvE enviroments. which was Still 1 raid per expansion unlike the 4 with WoW.
ESO - cant afford to bring a programmer in to actually fix the bugs, they litterally just label them unfixable and leave them there, and im not talking WoW bugs. im talking LEGIT bugs which stop u using certain parts of ur class
their sorcercer, if they Teleport on stairs on mountains they stun themselves for 5 seconds. no fix. u just cant use ur ability.
GW2. Prolly the most successful one of the lot, but basically just keep 3/4s of their content story based and only a repeating PvP cycle to introduce new content with a couple of raids. with 0 loot progression.
no the biggest issue is Likely for WoW to go F2P
they’d have to remove Arena, Remove M+ and Half the raids per expansion. because thats the F2P Model, PvE orintated f2p market games. will ditch small scale PvP to reduce the impact of imbalanced classes via making the mode uncompetitive… and then half the raid design. because they’ll drop its devs to 0 hour contracts.
they wont have time to introduce new Dungeons on any major scale so they’ll Ditch M+ aswell.
f2p mmorpgs generally offer “BGS for fun” 2 raids a Expansion and a Daily quest cycle.
thats ur typically f2p MMORPG. WoW im afraid offers ALOT more then that, and couldnt sustain that in a f2p model, theres just no way. MMORPGS require too much upfront investment to survive a f2p model without serious compromises.
From my understanding, the term “pay to win” refers to games that have their end-game stuff/strongest stuff in the game locked behind payment, with no other way of obtaining those.
If the argument is “Well, you can make deals in WoW”, then you can make such deals literally anywhere, in any game. Are CS:GO and LoL pay to win as well, then, by this logic? People have been known to buy boosts/coaching in those games as well.
but the thing is ,again mate,because you seem to dont understand.im gonna say it again.
The game doesnt have THE QUALITY for them to ask a subscription.like once had!
understand now? theres almost noone WORKING on wow.its all marketing systems that YOU will test for them.got it now? or need to make a drawing ? xD
I think you confuse two things, f2p and no-sub. I never said WoW should be F2P. We have to purchase the expansion every 2 years, Wow won’t ever be in the slightest form F2P.
I mean, we basically have the same issues as F2P games? No balance, game breaking bugs left untouched, content being stretched, no new PvP content apart from 1 copy of Nagrand arena in a new setting…
B2P is just as Bad?..
ESO and GW2 effectively have 0 end game to keep their MMORPGS alive? lol. these models only work for PvP based MMORPGS… and thats because Player power has a Significant demand in those enviroments. where the game can easymode Profit from selling power gains to whales.
Please name a single MMORPG Which currently produces as much content as WoW does?.. because not even FFXIV Realistically stands up. regardless of if u think FFXIV is better or worse then WoW overall. content wise FFXIV Doesnt produce alot comparitively.
its mental, to beleive blizzards Quality would go down if it went f2p. ur expecting a company to take Less Money while providing the same results?.. its not how it works.
you are paying 13 euro a head for a game that leaves condemn annimation BUGGED for 5 MONTHS. thats what you are paying,i dont even gonna talk about pvp mess that the game is nowadays,its just a mess ,this game doesnt have ANY reason to ask for money.
i disagree.
Ya. I’ll take a Animation bug over my own abilities Stunning me for 5 seconds any day. lmfao…
like legit, these problems arent even on the same level.
the thing is its not providing the same results ,its way worse than the worse expacts in history xD if not the worst ! and believe me,to make ME wanna stop playing it,its because it has SOME SERIOUS problem.
before wow i played lineage 2 for 9 years during its golden age,while it was paid subscription,the moment it went free to play,the game changed and i left.
im seeing the same change in wow,but im continuing to pay for it.
i wont pay for a game that is taking the same path a free to play game take.
Really?! Kappa are u ignoring 2 of the 4 Recent launchs (WoD and BFA) both had bugs which LITTERALLY halted the progression of players for DAYS?!..
are u aware, that in BFA its first seasonal affix was soo bugged u basically aggro’d entire dungeons if u got unlucky?!.
are u aware in Legion, DHs if they fel rushed they’d insta DC?!..
Like worse?! lmfao a ANIMATION issue is WORSE then physically Abilities Disconnecting u from the game.
and thats fine. Stop playing. i said it in my orginal post
Weather u beleive the game deserves a sub or not is a Subjective conversation. its a Opinon. if u dont beleive its worth paying for. dont pay for it.
You can understand whatever you like. People who don’t like state of the game already quit and thats almost 50% of subs. Others will pay sub and cry, they will pay anyway even if there will be unobtainable stuff in store.
mate,i have millions of gold,you think my problem is paying for a month in wow? its not! my problem is blizzard asking for payment for NOTHING .
its the same has going to mcdonalds or a good restaurant,you eat what you pay for,and now you are eating brown coco for lobster price xD.
kingdom hearts 3 for pc in 10 days,lets see if the fix this mess around meanwhile ^^ my gold and euro stay in pocket for now.
1 less blizzard.
Tbh. as the thing said… its been the same way for quite a while now… WoWs been bleeding 40% of its playerbase between launchs since like cata.
regardless of problems… i’d still state WoW is the best mmorpg onthe market currently for PvE Content. so i’d just highly disagree.
as for pvp. i think every mmorpg is about as bad as one another. mmorpgs are a terrible genre for PvP in the modern ages.
just because you only have rice to eat,that doesnt mean eating rice everyday is good.
This massive subs drop was only in WoD. So i think something gone wrong. Last time after this game director was fired.
I dont get ur idea here? Lmfao. nothing to do with eating the same thing every day. WoW just does PvE better then other options. FFXIV Doesnt have M+ or anything like that which is content i enjoy to do.
and no F2P game has the PvE content thats even comparable to WoWs PvE Content.
for PvP content i dont play a mmorpg. i play OW / MoBas etc etc
i think u need to read the stats prior WoD. it was a Downwards curve starting at the end of WoTLK all the way to WoD. sure WoD bled even further, but it doesnt change the Fact by mid MoP the game had bled 3/4s of its playerbase.
Excuses as always. Tho we need to stop. U just defending currect state of the game and thats all. Thats not help subs quit avalanche.
I am expecting game breaking bugs to be fixed within a reasonable amount of time, I expect them to regularly balance the content as well as the specs, I expect them to make choices that positively affect the players, I expect them to care, to fix those random one-shot abilities and to release a somewhat finished product (obv with bug fixes post-release).
They had to change the bloody core of the game or some specs several times already, they have no idea what they are doing - at least that’s what it looks like. They ignore important issues and then we reach a point where the 13 euros per month is not worth it anymore rather quickly.
This is not about other games, I don’t give a about them, I judge what I play…and that’s not great quality wise. It’s not enough to pay for over 7 AAA-games worth of money per expansion.
didnt defend it?.. Saying the game is above F2P standards aint “defending a game”… i’ve stated the game has Problems ofcourse it does… like every expansion. theres problems.
as i stated. the loudest the player can individually be is Unsubbing from the game, im sorry no ur right that dont help the “Fall in subs”. but its Litterally ALL u can do.
Games been fallig since the end of WoTLK. thats just factual. its been on the decline since the launch of Cataclysm. simultaniously the game cant just revert every decision made since cata either.