Fun factor in BGs 2024

PVP Battlegrounds
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Hello all… as an old pvper Ive always loved the big fights in BGs.

But the good times are over for some of us. :slight_smile: If you cant get into a allready full premade grp and get a spot you are not gonna be happy. Because you will meet a 40man team that uses GODLIKE tanks infront that almost cant die. Ive seen 30 ppl on a DK without killing him. so broken… a tank comes out as best healer and dps :smiley: all should make one then? jeez. some people like playing something else… and get dont stand a chance :smiley:
And to all the people that are lucky to get into a premade gr8 for you <3 But in the end you are just pouring gasoline on allready broken fire. no 50/50 pvp. no fun really. Even if you get into that premade it will ruin the fun of the pvp in the end for you… when you stand full conquest geared and got no enemies to fight because we didnt get any conquest all day when we tryed to have fun in a “random” BG… its not random when they sync up on you and can come in 5-10-15-20-40. if they do that everyday its simple math that the premade will gear up faster then we will :slight_smile: and now a evil spiral starts… we dont stand a chance tbh. we need more balance. we need that people with 500+ honor levels only gets to play against same level… then you gotta merge all server also so the premades that control every server, will meet eachother :smiley: <3 insted of meeting a green newb honor level 40 :wink: how about you remove the /RW system in BGs? so they cant control the raid ? I could keep on for some time whats wrong. People exploits and uses tricks to win suchs as pushing you out of tower and can do it nonstop the entire BG :smiley: so on so on… its just not fun.
In the end I think its time to look after something else to play. Because we arent getting anywhere here it seems. I can see people are making post about the same people that are ruining for me also… so in the end you will lose us. and keep em. sad :frowning:

anyway im going out in the sun :smiley: have fun all.

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ye im also wondering the same, why i meeting the same premade group all day as there are only the same 40 Horde playing in epic BG and they all join up in a premade … what happened to a pug BG?? they call it a Random Epic BG but its not so random again, i have to play against this premade grp of the same people all day. i tryed being on for 14 hours and it was same problem all 14 hours so what is going on here…

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Is it because it is a 40 man premade, or because there are only 40 man playing?

:dracthyr_tea:

Think 'bout it

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They more they can get into the battle the better off they are. So there is a cooldown in their chat when they say que up! “QUE NOW” to have a chance to join us!" They have a RL online at any given time, so we dont get any conquest anymore. They win 20-30 each day I lose 20-30 each day. I get the picture… they are fully conquest geared and im in blues haha :smiley: its fun fun… anyway… I canceled my account

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who plays BGs in DF? Bgs are dead.

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Dont do epic bgs. Theyre a joke and bad.

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Don’t insult clowns with such statements.

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:rofl: 10 chars etc etc

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Idk, I join with just 1-2 friends and do fine in epics. My win rate in all epic maps is 73-80% and I don’t desert much.
It takes surprisingly few people who play the right objectives to make a difference.

Literally every spec in existence can be used effectively if played by a good player in random epic bgs. As for tanks: they are not really a threat and can be mostly ignored. If they occupy an objective like an Alterac tower, use stuns and knockbacks to throw them out.

The “random” refers to the map randomly chosen from the pool containing 4 maps.
It is still random in this sense even with the syncers, but the syncers are exploiting the queue system and don’t belong into this game.

One does not go to epic bgs or casual PvP in general to farm conquest. You play rated PvP. open lfg and blast some 3v3 Arena on low rating. Every win gives you over 100 points of conquest and can be completed significantly faster than a round of epic bgs, where only the first win gives you 110 and subsequent victories award a meager 25.

Honor level is not an indicator of skill and only tells you how much a person has played over a large period of time. MMR like in Blitz or rated BGs would do a much better job at matching teams of roughly equal strength.

Awful idea. Raid warnings are not just used by premade players. The tools of a raid leader are essential to coordinate a team, including raid warnings.

The only thing that should be abolished is the ability to synchronize groups for casual bgs.

That’s not an exploit, that’s called using your abilities in a smart way.

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Spending time and effort and energy into learning not only the conventional method to play your clas but what professions, consuambles, items, toys, and talents that nobody picks can do to dominate pvp, is most certantly not a bad thing… i get that it might frustrating not able to keep up with everything byu playing a few hours maybe 3-4 days a week, but if that wasn’t the case, than everyone would literally play the exact same and it will obviously boil down to WHAT CLASS you play and now HOW you play it

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Who is Tez? I see more and more comments on this Tez thing :sweat_smile:

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Random virgin.

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Oh u still here part or the problem.

Game would be better without ur 5 man premades just saying, nobody wants u here with ur premades.

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My 5 man premades consisting of me and Hühnchen and sometimes a third person?

HOW DARE YOU PLAY A MULTIPLAYER GAME WHERE PLAYING WITH YOUR FRIENDS IS EXPLICITLY ALLOWED WITH YOUR FRIENDS?!

Groups are allowed.
Deal with it.
Clown.

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  1. You can brag about how awesome you are with friends as much as you like, but it has little to do with the problem aroused in the current Topic.
    Epic battle grounds currently seem very one sided, Isle of Conquest and and Wintergrasp being probably the worst, I don’t remember when I last time won one as an alliance player. And it’s nothing likea close fight ( horde wins almost all the time by large margin quickly destroying towers and not letting even one walla to be broken or capturing fortress within 5-10 minutes when it’s attacking).
  2. You cannot ignore the tank that’s slowly killing your tower boss in Ashran and cannot get killed, because he has 8 million health and does insane amount of self healing that cannot be bursted by 3-4 dps.
  4. Maybe you and friends go to 3vs3 arena to farm conquest. Many casual pvp players(if not the most) do indeed Bgs to get their conquest points, there are a lot of pvp players who do not have 3 vs 3 team all together.
  5. Fair point, although I think what Animaniac means is the huge gap between experienced and inexperienced players. Many times I saw like an experienced player one shots noobie players within seconds and even when 3-4 people will attack them, they won’t be able to kill him.
    This is a huge contrast in comparison to classic, for example, where less geared and less experienced players will still be able to overwhelm more experienced ones by numbers.
    At the end of the day this creates a huge frustration for newcomers in pvp, who will drop playing pvp for good after such experience. My guild has a lot of such people.

If some of you think that this unimportant and status quo is just fine, the status quo will make queues for bgs and arena worse and worse (it’s already very bad and the entire pvp community is making no more than 10% compared to m+ community).

WoW current PvP state is very unfriendly towards new players and these one sided epic battlegrounds are just a symptom of a much deeper problem.

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The grass isn’t greener on the other side. We have threads here that discuss how the alliance has a systemic advantage in the isle of conquest or horde players who claim that they always merc in epic bgs because the horde allegedly never wins.
Let me tell you a secret: those who focus on the right objectives and don’t give up after a setback win more often regardless of faction.

You can throw him down with knockback effects or heal your mage up, and even if your mage dies, you only lose 30 points.

No need for a set team, just open lfg and go for it. You need neither rating nor a high win rate. If you play at 0 cr and don’t care about losing, you will eventually get opponents that are so weak that you can beat them, even if you don’t consider yourself to be a good arena player. Since you don’t care about winrates and rating you can also lower your quality standards and invite everyone who wants to play, even as a 3 dps yolo comp there will be teams you can defeat, and if not, no big deal, queue the next round.

Do this for an hour and I promise you, you will have earned at least 1000 points of conquest, likely more. Much more than you could ever hope for from casual pvp (except for one time epic bg quests). If you don’t like 3s, 2s are also good for earning conquest. There you only need to find one other player and you’re good to go. If you play double dps, rounds are very fast and the conquest gain is similar.

It depends on the attitude one takes, it could also inspire them to become more like the strong player who just defeated them by seeking ways to improve at the game.

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1.1. If it is indeed the case, that just makes the problem valid for both factions t makes it even worse: either get into a premade or get into a hopeless pug against premades and maybe into one of 25 battles you will have rare luck of getting into authentic pug vs pug fight ( I had such, but they are rare).
1.2. What a revelation! You know the other day I joined several of IoC Bgs where Alliance kept losing Hangar battle with sequential massive leave of players, but I tried my best to at least the slower down the progress of the horde by trying and killing the glyph throwers that were shooting from the hangar hill. Being a MM hunter with stealth 50 yeards range should be pretty doable but 40% of my efforts I was removed from stealth before even reaching (despite taking backside approach) by numerous aoe / stealth revealing abilities and the other 60% when I managed to throw a first shot on glyph throwers I was instantly CC-ed and killed by around 5 people. Nope, the pugs do not behave like this, it was at least a semi premade.
You seem to be an intelligent person, mate, but revealing this abstract “secret” of yours to people who play mainly solo , when you are used to play with at least a couple of pvp minded people like you, is just vanity.

2.1. Nope, you cannot knockback a tank that is standing inside the tower on the ladders.
2.2. Healing can actually be a good idea (you trade 1 healer for 1 inflated tank) and at some point I tried but the enemy tank seemed to abuse a terrain that the boss was out of line of sight for me most of the time, but maybe that can reasonably countered, need to practice it more find out if it’s viable.

  1. I never tried 3 vs 3 due to 2 reasons: perception that form long and/or break quick and that many folks in those groups are known to be quite toxic and unsocial. But maybe I am wrong, should give it a try, thanks for the idea!

  2. I am actually quite motivated to learn the game deeper when I meet an opponent who outplays me by clever use of their abilities. But there is nothing motivating in meeting 5-10 man semipremades of people zug zug you in blink of an eye and then keep GY camping your pugs yet when faced 1 vs 1 they run away or call help their fellow griefers since they are too afraid to risk losing in 1 vs 1 fight.

More important than either my or yours opinion, my friend, is statistics and it is currently very depressing. The pvp community is small and is shrinking every year and it’s just a biased view expressed by some casuals in this forum, it’s problem acknowledged by popular pvp focused youtube channels.

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As far as I am concerned, Blizzard made the mistake long ago, by not drawing a firm line in the sand as to what is casual and what isn’t. There should always be a place for the casual player, the new player and the under geared player, that used to be randoms but Blizzard just allowed them to become the stomping ground of the cringers.

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Pug vs pug is the norm though and premades are the exception. If you count small groups of up to 5 players that do not sync in the pug category and not among the premades that is.
Epic bgs are meant to be played by teams consisting of small groups of friends and solo players.

This is indeed the case most of the time. Synchronized groups are rare.

What exactly is your definition of a semi-premade?
I can tell you I had a similar situation from the other perspective recently. The horde had hangar and we had 3 glaives from docks that we also brought to Hangar, I had the raid leader and gave instructions per /rw to cover our glaives. Around 10 horde players spontaneously followed us to hangar south and provided cover for the glaives.

We joined as a group of 3 players.

It is doable, but it may require multiple knockback effects. I have 2 knockback effects on my thunder focus tea plus jade lightning, one ring of peace and a pest fogger grenade. I am usually able to remove anyone from a tower unless they play very smart and know exactly what they are doing.

As a hunter you can work with high explosive trap into freezing trap into intimidate into pest fogger or something similar.

What is a group of 2 or 3 friends in a team that consists of 35 or 40 people if not a droplet in the sea? The difference from 38 randoms to 39 randoms is hardly existent. The reason why I win so often are the strat calls I make. Could make them solo just as well. Did so on many occasions. This is not about vanity or boasting or me as a person, I just want to encourage more people who care about strategy to try to coordinate their team. Ask for the raid leader if it is not given to you by default and lead.
Many players are pretty clueless when it comes to where they should be on the map on their own, but with the right instructions, they can be quite effective.
You too can bring reliable friends into the round who support you with the most important tasks.

Good luck. Some are nice, some are toxic, the amount of competence varies. Not unlike any other game mode within this game.

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its a growing problem (the premade situation).
if Blizzard wont react- we should take matters into our own hands.
You guy need to start reporting them, let me explain:
First its not clear if this is against the TOS or not.
So them exploiting it doesnt directly incriminate them for a GM needs to get involved and investugate live along with a discord agent - while its happening for it to be proven that they’re intentionally syncing, which makes the situation even more complex than it seems.
Following the same logic- you’re not incriminated if you mass report them, for this being a bug abuse or not is on the blurry line.

To me its clearly abusive to sync more than 5 people and the confirmation comes from the result which is always very disrupted, inbalanced play.
To put things into detail team A and B play against each other , team A has prepared beforehand with tactics, gear, consumables, communication setup, comp setup, addons and any other extras that give them an edge.
Team B are just random blokes, everyone are in different stages of their UI, some got it set up , others dont even have a proper UI, few individuals have and use consumable, others dont even have keybinds, some are geared others are freshly dinged, no comms, the discussion of strategy is limited to 30 seconds, along with the possibility of not having healers, tanks and so much more.

There is a solution, I have done some testing and it works 100% of the time but the thing is - it needs to be done coordinated. This has to become a second nature. A tradition if you will.

You see any of the premades- communicate to the team to report them.

Its important for all to report them for the same category and same reason.

With the system being automated, they do get some days off.
Eventually it will not be worth it for them to premade anymore for the odds are too high.
Would you premade a battleground just so you can be suspended for 2 days after it ?
I wouldnt.
If we as a community can stand behind this idea the problem will almost completely dissapear.
And i want to remind you again- according to TOS, breaching the limitations of the game is considered abusive.
The premade limit for a single group is 5 man, if you have a 40man group, seperated in 8 groups … then thats some abusive dook.
So you will ever be in the wrong in reporting them.
And if they do the same to you - you can always report them back and send them on a 30 day vocation for falsely reporting you.

My experience:
A random leader of a bg i had 3 months ago suggested we report the Z…o guy.
And we did exactly that.
To put it frankly - he went on a 3 day vocation with his ban getting revoked at day 2.
So its possible.

We can even make a Discord or a small community.
If Blizzard wont take action- and they havent for what is known as eternity now.
Then we are morally obliged to defend our subscription money however we can.