The gap between spear and roar in s2 was so small that many players including myself got 99% logs in mythic using roar on single target, did your sims not tell you that it was a literal 500 dps difference or maybe I’m missing something ?
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(Reposting what I wrote on the correct Character)
Gonna just try and cover everything in one lengthy post and be done with it.
Season 1 is immediately off the board for me. By far the worst and most boring Set bonus and that’s where it stops. Yes, we would probably still play AM/Rav with this, but the bonuses themselves are a hard no from me, even if scaled up to fit the power for S2 or S3 respectively.
Season 2 had it’s own problems but AM/Rav wasn’t the worst playstyle.
But frankly, if we’re going for a BT-based Set, Season 3 edges out Season 2 on quality of life alone. It’s also a Feedback loop, has none of the problems of Season 2 and it’s just as easy to play on the surface.
As others have already mentioned, the difference boils down to OF being the go-to short CD AoE Nuke, while Season 2 uses Ravager, but also gets the same CDR Feedback loop treatment for Reck.
On the other hand Season 2 feels more like a nicheless Overall damage machine, which doesn’t really serve any mechanical purpose and feels like a short and quick route to people probably trending towards Arms more than anything.
While Season 3 enforces Annihilator, it isn’t too dissimilar from Season 2 in nature, the BT Spam comes with the added benefit of not locking down BT the way Season 2 does, comes with a decent, passive, consistent amount of self-healing through BT Spam and CSHB uptime. Sure you don’t have Reck as often, but OF is up at a relatively similar cadence as Ravager would be, it’s a one button press, damage is done situation vs bad tank scenarios or bad usage on the side of the warrior, where mobs will just run out of Ravager with it failing to catch up at the speed it’s going. It shouldn’t happen often anyways, if at all, but the reality is that once you tally it up and account for the worst case scenarios, OF is the safer and more reliable option between itself and Ravager.
The added benefit is, that Season 3 is probably (correct me if I’m wrong?) the most Execute we’ve had all Expansion for Fury specifically, where usually in Season 1 and 2 Arms would gap Fury in that niche by a good if not large margin and the empowered BTs do provide a short, controlled burst of prio damage when Bursting/OFing, which arguably is always more useful to have compared to raw overall damage that doesn’t really provide any mechanical value in most situations for both Raids and Keys.
Since the post is already so lengthy, I will simply leave out the original plan of tallying up Spear vs Roar usage across all 3 Raids, because it’s quickly apparent that when Spear is better, the reason people struggle with it is because they usually get cucked by a mechanic they could’ve seen coming from a mile away and simply held the Burst for 2-3 Seconds longer to account for the worst case scenario. It’s enough to simply state, that the Spear vs Roar usage across all 3 Raids is fairly balanced and whenever Spear edges out Roar and vice versa, there is also a case to be made that you could always use the other for various reasons, be that quality of life or simply weighing Boss Damage vs Overall Damage. Spear vs Roar simply isn’t an argument for picking the Season 4 Tier Bonus. Vault was Spear-heavy, but Roar was never far behind, Season 2 was balanced, but Roar was viable on Spear Bosses and Season 3 is skewed towards Roar for various reasons.
And I’m sure we don’t need to talk about Spear vs Roar for Keys, yeah? 
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if you played a lot of m+ you’d know the damage profile for the s3 set is pure dookie, fury has plenty of survivability without using bt every other gcd xd
waiting for 90s cds as fury feels like literal hell, odyns fury doesn’t provide anywhere near enough burst to make up for the loss of 40~s rav+reck
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Just give us all 3 bonuses so people can play whatever they want ffs.
So many noobs voting s3 just becuase it is strongest. While it is also wrost playstyle build BY FAR and it also means playing same build for a year or so (2 seasons in a row). Reading all the comments about spear, like wtf. Ever since 10.0.5 AM/ravager/onslaught rework, the spear vs roar pick is EXACTLY the same for all 3 season builds. You pick spear for pure ST or heavy ST focused fights, roar for AoE/cleave heavy fights and m+. And people who write things like this should be able to influence what I should play for months. Stop this.
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sets NEVER touched the spear/roar choice, you bot
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for the love of Rampage please READ THE FORUM POST. TIER SETS WILL BE ADJUSTED IN POWER. IF IT S SEASON 1 IT WILL MOST LIKELY BE an EXECUTE DAMAGE BOOST instead of crit chance. So stop selecting the most powerful set and select what you thought was most fun
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As a Fury main vote S2, Mythic + S2 was better, S3 is only better for raid, S2 is the clear and obvious choice to enjoy the game…
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Sets will get adjusted in power. So a tier set centered around execute would be more than welcome but apparently voter here don t play the game or read forum posts. S1 would have to get reworked which would probably make execute procs a better builder. Image if S1 2set was an execute damage increase and it build 2 stacks of slaughtering strikes. Would be a fun tier set to play with
I have to admit a S1 Bonus, bad as it was, that is buffed to high heaven (really it would need to be buffed to a ludicrous degree) to make it competitive might be kinda fun.
Seems like Half the comments here have never even played S1-S2 fury warrior and just rolled it when hearing about the legendary. Season 1 and Season 2 were by FAR the most fun sets this expansion. But apparently people didn t read the Power adjustment line. Just for a second imagine how nice a reworked S1 will be. Execute builds stacks of slaughterign strikes or juggernaut also increases execute damage / flat execute dps increase. The s3 sounds good on paper. But is not enjoyable. Having any AoE damage be locked to 1,5 min cds is not nice. Nor is having a builder be more powerful than your spender.
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S2 all the way. No idea how people like the s3 rotation.
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Unfortunately warrior brain basically , people cant read the og post that they said they gonna balance tier sets.
Finally someone actually sane
Good thing that M+ is the non-plus-ultra of a Season for 100% of the WoW population.
Some would do well to remember the mantra of different strokes for different folks. Playstyles are already subjective. Then a lot of people play both M+ and Raid, some play only M+, others only Raid.
For better or worse, it’s a poll. People can and will vote for what benefits them the most.
If people cannot handle that very simple fact and want to get all worked up about that, be anyone’s guest, I’m sure plenty here will find a way to become an absolute Clown over it.
The crux of the issue is Blizzard’s approach to this. Simply polling the Set Bonuses is a surefire way to have people all riled up in exactly this “Who gets to pick THEIR Bonus” way and have players from different avenues of preference throw virtual punches at eachother over nothing.
It would simply be a lot smoother for everyone if they brought all the Sets up to speed performance wise simultaneously, rather than picking one and then buffing that singular one as the only Set Option for the Season - Let people pick which one they want to run. It’d be the best overall solution.
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It s not about getting AoTC or not. But you didn t even play S1-S2 Fury warrior at all. So if you only reference point is Season 3 it makes sense you wouldn t understand why fury mains dislike the S3 one
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Another thing to note would also be, that getting riled up over people “not reading” the Post in regards to the Season 1 Set Bonus does equally little.
Take a hint from how Blizzard works, that expecting the Set to get a full rework rather than arbitrary number adjustments that will pan out on paper/sims, rather than in practice across all forms of play, is wildly hopeful at best.
It could happen - the likelihood is higher that it won’t.
Tbh all of our problems could be solved by making anger management baseline probably.
Then i won’t give a single **** about what tier set we play.
Also while at it if they delete spear of bastion from the game could be perfect.
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I did play S2 main account have already commented on here. this account started fresh 3 weeks before season ended. i quit mid S1 due to many reasons. im really curious to the people saying S3 tier set is clunky as to why they think and feel that way.
Just respec into anger management you will understand the difference without needing the comments.
1.5 min class with burst that is ineffective vs 40 sec sustain class with more impact.
The moment you lose recklessness with s3 set you are auto attacking and pressing non important fillers like slam or whirlwind to generate rage so you wont lose buffed bloodbath. Sometimes it becomes so bad that you have moments that you have nothing to press while being 20 rage short of your rampage just waiting something to happen.
S3 fury is budget arms warrior from tbc
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Because it is a 2 button roatation where the majority of our damage comes from a builder and not a spender. This means when using odyn s fury and you don t have the rage to rampage to get bloodbath you re left waiting for rage unable to bloodthirst generating the same problem people complained about the Season 2 set ( the locking of bloodthirst). when lined up with reck this isn too big but this isn t too significant. But it breaks the flow of rotation(Hence the Clunkiness). Additionally only your Primary target is affected by the empowered bloodthirst and not the AoE packs. This leads to any AoE damage being heavily tied to Roar/ Avatar lineups. Outside of that it s tank damage. This gives the same problem we had in 10.0 before the 0.5 patch: Your AoE Happens instantly and in insane burst which leads to big risk of pulling aggro. Season 2 Required a weakaura but was very fluid in its rotation incorporating bloodthirst when we didn t before. The season 1 set was nice because it put Execute in a “stronger builder position” taking priority over raging blow while leaving rampage up in the priority. Simply giving execute a slaughterign strikes builder would have made people remember s1 more fondly than they did. Season 1 had the most fluid rotation. while season 2 had the more satisfying tier sets
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Are you all daft ?
Vote season 2 else I’m going to delete you from the game
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