i don´t mean to pug them, that´s always unreasonable. I mean to complete them when you have never raided before and are a new player or just have never really engaged with the game in that way. Which is absoilutely fine, i just think Blizzard really is stupid not making it easy for players to progress through their content in a natural way, instead insisting to put up wall after wall after wall.
Skill on the level being discussed in these keys reminds me of the days of impossible arcade games, where the logic was that you put in more coins to keep trying.
I guess given we pay a sub fee, there’s a parallel there…
But at least the arcade cabinets let you pick up exactly where you were, when you put in your coin
It still there. Time 10 with 605+ ilvl if you have skill. Or grind until you’re full 619, then go to 9 and grind until you’re 626.
what about the words “much larger degree” is unintelligible to you?
how exactly you learn in a pug if it isnt you that bricked the key? next time you have people again who die to thr same stuff.
at one point you need to be lucky to have a perfect run and thats it.
i think the game is scuffed if the people who play this stuff for a living are just clearing 12s and not even that consistently
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I think there should be a path for every kind of player to reach highest lvl gear over time.
Solution (numbers are e.g):
If you play casual lvl, getting one max i lvl item takes 2 weeks.
If you play tryhard, getting one max i lvl item takes 1 week.
That way casuals can also access to highest lvl gear (not all in one season, but most of the slots), and tryhards wont gonna care since they are already max ilvl geared.
By not expecting too much from pugs? Currently when you can’t stand in fire because “i got big purple shinnies bruh!”, trying any serious m+ with rando pugs is like… trusting your house security on a “Cheetos lock.”
Just a question. Is the gear supposed to be a reward from doing stuff or is it some kind of weekly allowance/welfare payment ?
For pugs - of course, it’s a bit of luck, but there are still tools where you can check people performance.
Don’t like pug environment? Make connections, looks for a people that you like.
They are clearing 14s already. They still have 15-20 ilvl of upgrades.
so how does that solve the problem that you cannot push your key because someone always brick it?
because pugs are garbage, the rewards were at +6 and +8 respectively and easy to ignore tyrannical bevause people always die at bosses
there are 15 keys on 14 timed and of course those are the easiest dungeons, ara kara and mists…
only check two people but they have an ilvl of 628, which would be if everything mythic ilvl 11 ilvl to upgrade.
even then, if the best players who play 1rh a day with a high ilvl only clearing dungeons in a well performing team on +13, it will certainly feel that +10 is way out of reach for your better than average pugs
Lol, only one person is responsible for invites to your party/key. It’s YOU.
Gear is basically the WoW version of money. People want paid.
You are new to the pug world or something? Doing stuff with pugs was always a Russian roullete. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
M+ can be done without pugs as well and I am sure you already know those ways so I wont repeat them ad nauseum.
Well that depends how the basics of the gear getting upgraded. If we stuck the current one for example, then one possibility that x type of crests dropping for world activites for the casuals, limited weekly.
For tryhards it gonna drop more from high rated content.
you have to realise that ths whole problem is coming directly from blizzaards try to force people back into mythic raiding.
you are meant to raid mythic get gear from there and only then progress m+
its deliberate. stupid but deliberate
you have that now. the grind would be ridiculous but technicaly you can get 3 gilded crests from map in dvelves.
so farm up like 100 maps and you gucii to get to 626
or give up and go raid mythic like Ion wants you to
Yeah, but atleast you wont be stucked at i lvl 619. We can tune numbers accordly.
Or just finish 9+ key…
only one person is responsible for the dumbest replies, and that is you.
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Im done with wow M+ got my KSH so log in 1 time make a +10 and log off.
Dont wanne waste my time more in this hamsterwheel for gear.
So 1 Tank less for M+.
Let’s go play Diablo 4 and have fun
+7 giving hero gear nobody care about it they either just get into hc raid or do devle than do a +7